Went to a gun show today looking for a model 10, maybe a model 64, allso took my ruger blackhawk rated at 98 percent, .357. I was thinking I could make an even trade, not even close. There was one model 64 with sights, 490.00, one stainless model 10, 480.00 (not even cleaned) and a blued model 10, with lanyard loop on butt, 500.00. One guy would give me 250.00 for my blackhawk on trade for the model 64 or stainless model 10. A local person has a 5" model 10-5 he would trade even up, a little rust speckled and cylinder holes are plenty dirty, have to think on that one a bit. I am thinking I would be better off trading for a new 10 or 64 ? I was offered 320.00 for the blackhawk by a couple people, so my gun is not a clunker. Are these guns this high in your area? thanks, chuck
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.357magger
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The listed models are not high in my area but...imo, you are attempting to get value for your trade in the wrong place. You'll do MUCH better to sell your BH outright, webbased, take the cash, then bargain for the model you seek.
The days of "getting what you have into it" out of a gunshow seem to have passed us all by. They are no longer the bargain shoppers dreams they once were. Not saying you can't find real nice "finds" there, or super bargains, but at least in my area, it seems that gunshows have become a tool to fleece the impatient, the unknowing, or the gullible out of their cash.
Just my .02.
The days of "getting what you have into it" out of a gunshow seem to have passed us all by. They are no longer the bargain shoppers dreams they once were. Not saying you can't find real nice "finds" there, or super bargains, but at least in my area, it seems that gunshows have become a tool to fleece the impatient, the unknowing, or the gullible out of their cash.
Just my .02.
Welcome to your first gun show... they are called gun "shows" cause with the high prices you typically see, the dealers are just "showing" what they have - and you see the same stuff on the same tables...
If you haven't bought a lot of guns from a dealer and established a relationship you wiill hardly ever get a square deal on a trade. The dealer that knows you as a good customer will give you a better deal then ones you never met. This is because they know you buy a lot of guns and want you to come back often. I traded a S&W Moodel 66 with all the goodies for a mint Model 28-2 4 inch with out the goodies at my last show for my gun plus $50. I felt that was a fair deal for both of us and it was a dealer that I bought 7 S&W's from him in the past 2 years and we know each other well.
I agree the best way for you is to sell your blackhawk yourself and get decent money for it and then buy what you are looking for because then you have cash and most dealers will try to close the deal and deal a little.
There are also a lot of dealers at the gun show hoping to find the un-informed and sell their guns at high asking prices and they also often trade guns with other dealers. You will see the same guns at shows moving from dealer to dealer and I just laugh. I think they go around telling their buddies who are also dealers how the got the best of the deal when they traded with another dealer.
I agree the best way for you is to sell your blackhawk yourself and get decent money for it and then buy what you are looking for because then you have cash and most dealers will try to close the deal and deal a little.
There are also a lot of dealers at the gun show hoping to find the un-informed and sell their guns at high asking prices and they also often trade guns with other dealers. You will see the same guns at shows moving from dealer to dealer and I just laugh. I think they go around telling their buddies who are also dealers how the got the best of the deal when they traded with another dealer.
Hi:
There is something wrong in your parts of the world when you can't trade a 98% Ruger Blackhawk .357 even for a Smith and Wesson Model 10 .38spl.
I would trade with you in a heartbeat!
P.S. I am not a dealer and I don't have a Model 10 however I would be getting the best end of that trade. (IMHO)
Jimmy
There is something wrong in your parts of the world when you can't trade a 98% Ruger Blackhawk .357 even for a Smith and Wesson Model 10 .38spl.
I would trade with you in a heartbeat!
P.S. I am not a dealer and I don't have a Model 10 however I would be getting the best end of that trade. (IMHO)
Jimmy
I expect the dealer to make money on me, that's what it's all about, but from what I have seen today, I don't want to give him my gun and pay full used price on the gun I want. I allso tried the cash approach on the stainless model 10, he came down to 460.00. I just said I will think about it. I am not one to insult the seller with what I have to offer, unless his offer is close to what I am thinking, but when we are around 200.00 off, on a 350.00 gun?????? I can be kind of picky when I look at a used gun, I will allso keep it to myself, like not mention this gun has not been cleaned, as in the model 10 stainless, not sure I want to buy a gun that has not been cleaned for a high price. I will keep searching, maybe get a price on a new model 10 and 64. chuck
ever watch the show "Pawn Stars"? some dealers operate the same way. they have zero shame making lowball offers.
i shouldn't complain too much. i purchased a 3" 66-4 from the original owner that had brought it to a gun show to sell. none of the dealers would give him what he asked for it..$450..they were either too greedy for profit, or ignorant of what it could sell for. i had no problem giving him the money.
i shouldn't complain too much. i purchased a 3" 66-4 from the original owner that had brought it to a gun show to sell. none of the dealers would give him what he asked for it..$450..they were either too greedy for profit, or ignorant of what it could sell for. i had no problem giving him the money.
That's why I attempt to "wheel & deal" in the aisles...I've sold & bought that way for decades, very educational where each party is trying to gain the advantage...
fyimo always seems to hit the nail on the head.
And at gun shows, cash is king. The guns you are interested in are out there, sometimes sending a message to the seller who has one advertised on the net is a good way to go. I have sold guns on the net (not auction sites) where a guy is interested, but not at the price I have listed. We dicker, and the next thing you know, a deal is struck and we are both happy. I can't tell you how many of the same guns I see sitting on the same tables year after year at the gun shows. Obviously these dealers don't much care to sell them. Anyways I ramble...keep up the search, that is part of the fun.
Cap
bamabiker
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Since no one else has said it, a model 10 should not be stainless steel.
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I pretty much gave up on gun shows. I was tired of the AR's and beef jerky and knives. I then took my wifes cousin to a show since he starting to get into guns. Went mid day on Sunday thought it would be the same old same old since anything worth buying would be snatched up.
Unexpectedly I ran across a 627pc blood work. Serial number 7 of the first run with a marked price of 1300. So sometimes it is worth it because their are people out there that still don't use the Internet.
Unexpectedly I ran across a 627pc blood work. Serial number 7 of the first run with a marked price of 1300. So sometimes it is worth it because their are people out there that still don't use the Internet.
nogoodnamesleft
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I'm always dissapointed at gun shows. AK's going for $500usd, and the biggest laugh was a BG380 going for $550usd. You can even point out the fact there's a firearm at the next table that is $380usd, and the guy will just chew on his beef jerky and look at you like you're an ***.
I still keep going to them, however...... I just like lookin' at all the stuff!!
I still keep going to them, however...... I just like lookin' at all the stuff!!
I see on S+W web site they show a model 64 without adj. site. Maybe a mistake? Maybe I had a senior moment when looking at (what I thought) the stainless model 10, could have sworn it said 10-7, doesn't really matter now. At one table the guys just laughed at me when I told them what I was looking for, they are the ones who offered me 250.00 for my blackhawk. chuck
gkitch
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There seems to be a new breed of "uninformed" too. Once, it was a guy who brought in a gun and had no idea what it was really worth....delighted that a dealer presented him with $200 for the heavy old 357 revolver his father carried as an FBI agent in the 30s' ("..by the way, do you want the holster and the box with that? I got 'em in the truck?").
Now, the "uninformed" seem to be personified by, say a gentleman who owns an 80's era police trade-in model 19 4" and goes on gunbroker and sees someone "selling" a NIB 3" 19 for $8K (with no buyers/bidders). He thinks the man who offers him a generous $400 is trying to rob him blind!
The dealers who seem to make the most money in the long run are those who treat people right and fair. Like a good mechanic or contractor, his reputation keeps him in business for the long haul.
Will Carry
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A guy went in to the gun shop I frequent, (Fuquay Gun and Gold) and asked, "Do you give Gun Show prices?" The owner replied "We can jack the prices up $30 if you want us to."
Model 64 with sights?
I've never seen a 64 with sights. That would be a model 65 When you add the shipping costs and FFL transfer fees to an auction purchase $75+/- the gun show prices don't seem too high to me And at a show you can really look the piece over.
Ischia
I've never seen a 64 with sights. That would be a model 65 When you add the shipping costs and FFL transfer fees to an auction purchase $75+/- the gun show prices don't seem too high to me And at a show you can really look the piece over.
Ischia
I was at the local show yesterday. Lots of very nice nickel and blue 10's for $350. A model 13 with 4" and a couple 15's for $400. Not a one had a box but all were 95%, the 13 and one 15 were 99%. The same guns on dealers tables were $150 more. When you're walking around a show, you can't be bashful about asking "Whatyagotandhowmuch?" Joe
Joe in SC
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One of the larger shows I attend have the same dealers clustered around the entrance every single show. They have the same old stuff (some of it actually very nice but priced through the roof) on their tables and in their racks, show after show. They sit around and talk to the good ole boys and act like you're dumb as hell if you ask a question or ask to see a gun. It pisses them off to have to get up off their fat butts to deal with the public.
Let some one come along with a nice older long gun, pistol or revolver and you'd think they had been raised from the dead. There's even a guy or two allowed to float around the entrance waiting for un-informed seller to come through the portal. Not unlike a vulture circling.
I've stood and listened to the fat cat dealers do their price haggling on a Python or model 16 or something similar and they can be very convincing to a neophyte. Gun shows are a mere shadow of what they were back in the late sixties/early seventies, when I started attending.
Having said that, there are still some good dealers and reasonable deals to be had at gun shows. You've just got to wade through the fat cats and vultures gathered around the front door to get to them. You've also got to be an informed buyer to know the difference.
Let some one come along with a nice older long gun, pistol or revolver and you'd think they had been raised from the dead. There's even a guy or two allowed to float around the entrance waiting for un-informed seller to come through the portal. Not unlike a vulture circling.
I've stood and listened to the fat cat dealers do their price haggling on a Python or model 16 or something similar and they can be very convincing to a neophyte. Gun shows are a mere shadow of what they were back in the late sixties/early seventies, when I started attending.
Having said that, there are still some good dealers and reasonable deals to be had at gun shows. You've just got to wade through the fat cats and vultures gathered around the front door to get to them. You've also got to be an informed buyer to know the difference.
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