West Virginia State Police keeping 4566's

I'm not sure if it was black oxide. I can tell you it was a cheap finish.

I seem to recall S&W calling it "black magic" finish. Perhaps KurtC can tell us.

I had it on my 910. It wore thin in just a few weeks of carrying. Scratched easily and was not rust resistant either. Sorry I can't provide more info. Regards 18DAI.
 
Negative. I had a 5904 that was a nice matte blue. The finish on the 915 is garbage by comparison. (Not really complaining, because the prices are awesome on those guns)
 
Finish on a 4014

I was told the finish on some 3rd gen's is actually a Melonite finish. Does anyone know what was used on the 4014?

In a letter from S&W that was posted on these forums about the 4014, it only mentioned Alloy frame, stainless slide and "blued finish"
 
I heard that they WVSP was going to S&W M&P 45s. I guess they changed their minds. Is WV carrying 4566's or 4506's?
 
I heard that they WVSP was going to S&W M&P 45s. I guess they changed their minds. Is WV carrying 4566's or 4506's?

WVSP carries 4566's w/ Streamlight M3's.


Interesting that they are considering M&P's again. They tested them a few years ago, but didn't care for them. Personally, whenever WVSP finally does switch it will be for a polymer framed pistol, IMO. They're cheaper and manufacturers are pushing hard to sell them.
 
Early 3rd Gen pistols, ending in xxx4 or xxx5 were simply blued carbon steel. The bluing wore easily in a holster.

Early attempts to blacken the stainless xxx6 models included Black-T and another baked on finish. Neither was acceptable for hard use (cosmetically).

Melonite appears to be the best answer, and numerous experimental 3rd Gen models have turned up during in recent years. The first run was the non-TSW 4566's from about 10 years ago. I believe this led to Melonite being chosen for the M&P series.

I have had it applied to several slides, frames and barrels with excellent results. It really likes stainless. Below are some pics. I don't know of anyone applying it to small parts. Possibly because of the size, but mostly because of the metallurgy.

Stainless Beretta slide with Melonite:
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Carbon steel Beretta slide with Melonite:
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Stainless Barrel:
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Factory 5946
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Aftermarket 4586TSW
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Aftermarket 4553TSW slide (black anodized frame)
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Why

Why would you want to cover up a beautiful stainless finish with a blued/black finish? Every gun I have ever had with a blued or blacked out finish shows wear after a short time where stainless may show a few "beauty marks" if you closely scrutinize it but otherwise it always takes my and others breath away when I behold it.
 
Why would you want to cover up a beautiful stainless finish with a blued/black finish? Every gun I have ever had with a blued or blacked out finish shows wear after a short time where stainless may show a few "beauty marks" if you closely scrutinize it but otherwise it always takes my and others breath away when I behold it.

I also like the bead blasted stainless steel. I have a several 3rd gens with other finishes.The bead blasted stainless works for me.


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Well I just read on Glock Talk forum in the "Cop Talk" section that WV State Police are dumping the 4566TSW's! Apparently they are going with the 4th generation Glock 21's. Why can't S&W get it ? That the 3rd generation 45's are still in demand, not everybody wants a plastic pistol, I guess the M&P 45 wasn't good enough, I to prefer the Glock to the M&P but like the 4506 myself as a duty weapon. I guess Glock gets another contract.

I do not know a single person in position to know anything about handgun selection in eastern states.

I DO know about Glock websites. You can hear anything but a good prayer there. They are so focused on their beloved Glocks that they cannot believe other guns exist. I am a member of Glock Talk and threads about Glock contracts have proven wrong many times. According to them, the Louisiana State Police were issued new Glocks recently on a major contract. NOT. LASP stopped using Glocks long ago and have no intention of returning to them.

Not putting Glocks down because they do work when they are not going K-Boom. They are also ugly, heavy, not ergonomically correct for human wrist/hands and are virtually impossible to be tested ballistically to see what gun fired what round.

S&W also makes some ugly guns, in part to people thinking black plastic gun ownership makes them SWAT or tactical guns and creates a market. Thankfully most of their guns are still beautiful works of art with fine tooling. S&W is picking up a good number of agencies to supply sidearms and that number is growing.
 
Oldman (but wise man) says:

S&W also makes some ugly guns, in part to people thinking black plastic gun ownership makes them SWAT or tactical guns and creates a market. Thankfully most of their guns are still beautiful works of art with fine tooling. S&W is picking up a good number of agencies to supply sidearms and that number is growing.

+1

In fact, black guns are not necessarily smarter from a concealment standpoint.

There are few black objects in nature. Snipers for years have been painting their guns in earth tones. Smart gun makers, like FN (parent company of Browning) are turning out more and more of their military guns in brown earth colors.

While this has little to do with what guns LE officers use, it does point out how ridiculous some of the current "tactical" craze has gotten, and how some shooters really look like posers instead of Sportsmen.

For Home Defense, I use what is on hand- either a Stainless or Blackened metal S&W pistol, or one of my hunting shotguns with good old blued metal. There's nothing inherently wrong with a good synthetic stocked shotgun or for that matter pistol, but definitely nothing superior to them either.

If I was going to get a polymer framed pistol, it would most likely be a Walther PPS, because it is very slim, well made, and nice ergonomically, or i'd be looking at the FN's. Well made, available in earth tones, and with classic and proven features including hammers and lanyard rings.
 
I finally got my WV State Police 4566 today,it's in really great shape.The one my buddy bought has a little more wear on it,but it's still in good shape.I'll put some Pic's up if anyone wants to see what the WVSP 4566's look like.And the new Black 4566's they have are pretty nice,but I like the one I have compared to the new all Black ones.
 
While this has little to do with what guns LE officers use, it does point out how ridiculous some of the current "tactical" craze has gotten, and how some shooters really look like posers instead of Sportsmen...

Tacticool is atleast accepted when the wife sees you standing in the mirror wearing the bulletproof vest you've bought online. Better then being caught wearing the wife's dress...not by much...so I heard. :eek: :D
 
I was given my old 4566 upon retirement a couple years ago. I just never warmed up to it. Being sentimental, I've hung on to it. It was perhaps just a bit more ergo-friendly than the previous, which was the 1076. Kept that one 'cause I'm a fan of the cartridge. (Even though I much prefer my S/S Delta Elite)

Guess I'm just too much a hardcore 1911 guy.
 
Old Corp, are you retired Raleigh PD? I wasn't aware of any other NC agencies carrying the 10mm and if so did not realize that they carried the 4566 before moving on to the M&P. :)


I was given my old 4566 upon retirement a couple years ago. I just never warmed up to it. Being sentimental, I've hung on to it. It was perhaps just a bit more ergo-friendly than the previous, which was the 1076. Kept that one 'cause I'm a fan of the cartridge. (Even though I much prefer my S/S Delta Elite)

Guess I'm just too much a hardcore 1911 guy.
 
Old Corp, are you retired Raleigh PD? I wasn't aware of any other NC agencies carrying the 10mm and if so did not realize that they carried the 4566 before moving on to the M&P. :)

Yep, you pegged it. Actually we had both the 4566 as well as the CS45. I had both, the CS while a Detective and eventually went to the 4566 in my last few years in uniform. I did not want to recieve the CS upon retirement and preferred the 4566.

I did get the opportunity to help test/eval the M&P while they were considering it for the new duty weapon. I was impressed with it's performance.

BTW - after S&W stopped normal production of the 4566, they continued to offer the model for sale to agencies such as ours - but the real problem became price. A large agency such as ours would be paying over $700 per copy. Just doesn't make sense to continue it after awhile, especially when approached with a real 'deal' to move on to a newer, less expensive model.
 
Old Corp was the deal free M&P's and holsters in exchange for the 4566's and CS45's?

That was the deal S&W was pushing locally. Regards 18DAI.
 
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