Helmet law protester crashes, hits head, and dies.

Lots of comments on what other people think should regulate other people's actions and lives. That's always a great direction to go.

That's because people are generally stupid... it's more about protecting OTHER people from their stupidity than just controlling the population. The nation did just fine with only stop signs for many years, but as the population grows so does the percentage of irresponsible idiots. Those who think it'd be so great with no government involvement need to move to Somalia and see how they like it there...not saying that "over-involvement" is a good thing, just that some happy medium needs to be maintained to help protect us "normal" people from the "others"! :eek:
 
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"My question is....Insurance denies your injury claim (no helmet) and who picks up the tab."

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Seems to me that even if you are wearing a helmet, they can and will do everything they can to avoid paying a lifetime's expense for your care. Lump sum, settle out of court, etc. Even if the crash wasn't your fault, even if its the insurance company of the person who did cause it. This is what "capping" damages in lawsuits is all about. In the end, the taxpayer is going to end up paying for the care anyway, more often than not, thats the point I am making.
 
I'll go along with that. Myself I wouldn't think of rideing without a helmet but thats my choice. I don't believe the govt. has any right telling me to wear it.

I know the argument about the cost to the taxpayers/sociaty etc. But, if you accept that. then there is no limit to what the govt. has the right to mandate regarding your personal behaviour.

The argument about the cost to taxpayers and society is itself specious because it assumes the same lack of individual freedom which you are properly decrying. The "cost to taxpayers" only occurs in a society where laws...

... prohibit healthcare providers from turning away people in need for any reason deemed valid by the provider. If the government has no right telling people they must wear a helmet (a statement with which I agree) then it also has no right telling healthcare providers who they must treat.

... create an entire class of people whose healthcare is 100% detached from its cost. I'm referring to the Medicare/Medicaid/VA group.

... create another class of people whose healthcare is *mostly* detached from its cost. I'm referring to people with "normal" insurance, who simply show their card, pay their copay, and receive treatment without evaluating its cost/benefit.

I suppose I've offended nearly everybody with these two groupings!

... pay for treatment with tax dollars.

We are afflicted with these laws and policies, resulting in monopolistic healthcare on both the finance and provider sides, ridiculous outsized prices, and an unsustainable price hike rate.

Don't listen to the "cost to society" baloney from moralizers who themselves lack the ability to see the beam in their own eye while pointing out the speck in yours.

I think riding a motorcycle (or bicycle) without a helmet is just plain stupid. Just yesterday we had "Biker Week" at our church, and afterwards the bikers gave free rides to anybody who wanted one. A woman living with us right now took one. I inquired as to whether she wore a helmet, to which she replied "None was offered." I asked her why she would do that, to which I received no answer. Our pastor, a man I hold in high esteem, rides his Harley with no protective gear of any kind, particularly sans helmet. My opinion about that is unswerving: such a choice is simply stupid.

But do I favor laws about helmets? NO! If you want to ride without a helmet, please do so. I hope for the day when I may align myself with an insurer and/or healthcare providers who are not prohibited by law to turn you away when you whack your helmetless head on the pavement.
 
I have no pity for those who don't take advantage of safety devices, be it seat belts, safety glasses, hearing protection or helmets. I've known folks who led a lifestyle that led to a short life...no pity. Helmets save lives and brains.
 
Well it is a personal choice, but I go with the old Bell helmet add, if ya got a ten dollar head, buy a ten dollar helmet!
 
More people die from shoveling Big Macs down their face every year and sucking on cigarettes ...

Live how you want .....If someone chooses to take a risk and not wear a helmet that's their descision. No one takes a supersize lard bucket out of the mouth of some jabba that can't even see his toes.

What 'tax dollars' go into paying for treatments of accidents w no helmets doesn't even come CLOSE to comparing to paying for healthcare for smokers and fat asses.

We outta be more concerned about food stamp reciepients buying chips and soda and smokes with their cash then someone not wearing a helmet.

Land of the 'free' ... ha.
 
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Sorry to say that this stupid accident happened about fifteen minutes from my house.

The news report doesn't make sense. It says he hit the brakes and was fish-tailing, then it says he went over the handle-bars. Fish-tailing will more often lead to laying the bike down sideways.

As somebody that's been riding motorcycles since 1972 and raced motocross from 1975-2004, this confuses me. Unless he hit the brakes, fish-tailed, and then hit something head-on which caused him to go over the bars.

Still confusing, because these helmet law protests typically have police escorts and they are usually going under the speed limit.

Maybe more will come out...
 
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As somebody that's been riding motorcycles since 1972 and raced motocross from 1975-2004, this confuses me. Unless he hit the brakes, fish-tailed, and then hit something head-on which caused him to go over the bars.

Probably got sideways then highsided.

For those here who don't know what highside means, watch this video of a Harley doing it (any bike will). It shows how quickly it can happen and how easily one can be tossed off a bike and smack their head on the pavement. Crash happens at 2:43 thru the video. "Over the bars" probably was like the video rather than being tossed straight over. Though, he could have been shot pretty much straight over as in video #2 (about 30 seconds in)

YouTube - ‪RT 22 W - Harley Crash‬‏


Vid #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlMbFlPzS24
 
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Probably got sideways then highsided.

Hi Phil,

Yeah, I didn't think of that possibility. I went over the bars once...when a 16 year old girl driving daddy's car pulled out in front of me. I was riding my 1974 Kawasaki 750 Triple at the time. Luckily, I was already down-shifting and on the brakes, in preparation for a turn, when it happened.

I'm glad that I was wearing a helmet.
 
The first video ChattanoogaPhil posted shows that a helmet and leather does not counteract stupidity on a motorcycle. The idiot on the lead bike is a) speeding; b) speeding through cow country (I live in a similar area) with no idea what kind of wild creature/piece of farm equipment could be in the road around a turn; c) riding the yellow stripes, which as any responsible motorcyclist knows, are highly slippery and treacherous.

I ride in full gear, irrespective of temps/weather, and I do out of choice. I've hit the pavement twice, resulting in several leg fractures, and I banged my head both times. My hat kept me in good working order, as did my leather chaps and Draggin Jeans. Once, while on the highway doing 60mph, I got hit in the face shield by a big June bug. Without my helmet I would have been taken off the bike. Not impressive war stories, but valuable learning lessons for myself about what to wear on my machine.
 
I accept the idea of living free, but IMO, everyone who rides should have proof of insurance to pay for the prospect of spending 20-30 years gorked on a ventilator after becomming a vegie from not wearing a helmet...I really support your freedom to express yourself, but I will be damned it I am going to pay for it.


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I accept the idea of living free, but IMO, everyone who rides should have proof of insurance to pay for the prospect of spending 20-30 years gorked on a ventilator after becomming a vegie from not wearing a helmet...I really support your freedom to express yourself, but I will be damned it I am going to pay for it.


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Sounds like those who want gun owners to have liability policies for every weapon they own.

BTW , I'm against any form of long term/infinate life support systems , for any reason , regardless of who's paying.
 
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I was riding my 1974 Kawasaki 750 Triple at the time.

Loved the H2. Didn't handle well, but the front end lifted up on command! I'm surprised that I survived the street bikes of the 70's. :D
 
Wearing half a cows worth of black leather on a 95' day doesn't appeal to me either. Boots , jeans and a T shirt when hot , demin jacket/shirt when cool. Leather jacket when cold.

I do see those on sportbikes wearing a full face helmet , a leather jacket with all the roadracer armor plates & pads , and shorts with flip-flops.
That may actually make more sense than it seems. While I'm not that crazy about a full-face hemet, I went to sleep one night wearing a helmet, a jacket and shorts riding a BMW R69S with 300cc crash bars. I apparently rode in on my helmet, my right arm and the right cylinder head. A broken collarbone was about the only notable damage.

I believe in helmets and seatbelts for myself. I believe in personal choice for myself and others. I have all kinds of opinions on all kinds of things, but almost no right to force any of them on other people, and I pretty much expect the same from them.
 
Helmets saved my life at least three times. Yet I dont agree with a mandatory law. Utah doesnt have the law, I dont have a motorcycle, but if I did I would wear the helmit. We do ride quads and depending on the type rideing I may or may not wear the helmet. Usualy take one though.
The other day I was watching a new cycle rider wearing open sandals, shorts and no helmet. If he lives untill I see him again, I bet he will at least be wearing boots and long pants! I also hate seat belts with a passion. Yet I was glad I was wearing them in one car and one airplane crash. I do belive in laws in regards to innocent kids that dont have the options of what their idiot parents do about seat belts or wearing helmets on cycles. The picture is one of my wrecks where a woman ran a stop sign. There was no way I could avoid her.
I once seen a woman rideing with her infant daughter on a bicycle leaveing her driveway. The kid bounced off and a truck ran over her head! That is one thing I wish I could forget, yet even if the girl was wearing a helmet she still would have been killed. Probley she should have been strapped on the bike? The mother wasnt hurt, but I know she wanted to die at the time!
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This ole horse has been just about rode to death, but one last point. When the helmet laws first came into being, every manufacturer went for the full coverage helmet as the best protection. There are only two things that keep you alive on a motorcyle; hearing and peripheral vision. Full coverage helmets pretty much did away with that, along with half of your hearing. You don't see motorcycle officers wearing those things. I, personally, wear as little helmet as the DOT will approve so that I can fully utilize what little hearing and eyesight as I have left. The cops do the same. To each his own.
 
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