NEW GUN LAW FOR BORDER STATES

[matmat417]

Basically all firearms dealers must report any person, buying 2 or more semi rifles with a detachable mag that is a higher caliber than a .22 within a 5day period. Heres the link to my local news covering it

Texas, 3 Other States Under New Gun Buying Rule - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston

 

[Phubar]

Well, they don't want private citizens to compete with the justice dep't in buying and giving guns to the drug cartels.


Chuck

 

[Incredible Me]

Just buy 1 a week

 

[ragingyeti]

Maybe this is blasphemy, but I don't see the big deal. If you are buying more than 1 AR15 per week, what the heck are you doing with it anyway? I could see if this was for more than one a year, but 2 in 5 days? Sounds very reasonable to me.

 

[tacticool22]

No such thing as reasonable control. Control removes freedom.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin
It won't make any more difference than the "assault weapon ban" and pistol grips or other "scary" features.
Why would the drug cartels buy high price semi auto guns when they can get low cost fully automatic guns from their own country.
People are not safer because of stupid tracking regulations, we are safer because of harsh penalties for breaking the law. There are laws against murder, but it happens. The harsh penalties don't happen and many laws are simply not enforced.
I could go on for a very long time

 

[alde]

This is not a law. Only Congress can make laws. The POTUS can not make laws with the stroke of a pen he can only sign laws put before him by Congress. They can make up some rule change and have the BATF enforce it but it can also be changed back with the stroke of a pen. It's just some political meat to throw to the anti-gun lobby. They have really been after the POTUS to make some promised anti-gun changes.

 

[mn_doggie]

This is not a law. Only Congress can make laws. The POTUS can not make laws with the stroke of a pen he can only sign laws put before him by Congress. They can make up some rule change and have the BATF enforce it but it can also be changed back with the stroke of a pen. It's just some political meat to throw to the anti-gun lobby. They have really been after the POTUS to make some promised anti-gun changes.

Oh, man. Gotta tell the local LEOs that I don't have to follow any local laws anymore. No more speeding tickets. Dog can bark anytime and my city can't regulate (via laws) no discharge zone..... Congress had nothing to do with any of them....

We obviously went to different schools.

 

[Andy Griffith]

Maybe this is blasphemy, but I don't see the big deal. If you are buying more than 1 AR15 per week, what the heck are you doing with it anyway?

It's called creating a gun collection. I know many people that have bought many rifles at once. Most of the people that can do that though are doctors, lawyers, etc...you do need some cash.
Hey, it's my money and I want my rifle now!!!

No criminals will ever buy a gun- they will always steal it.

 

[BillBingham2]

I have to come down on the no big deal side on this. It is NOT stopping you from buying the guns you want. One, five, twenty, it's up to you! The person that has work to do is the dealer. S/he needs to file some special paper work.

I have fill out a form at the dealer now so what the government does with the info is up to them.

I would agree if it were stopping me from anything but it's just reporting.

B2

 

[alde]

Oh, man. Gotta tell the local LEOs that I don't have to follow any local laws anymore. No more speeding tickets. Dog can bark anytime and my city can't regulate (via laws) no discharge zone..... Congress had nothing to do with any of them....

We obviously went to different schools.

There is State Law, Federal Law and Executive Order and there is regulation. They are all different. What is being discussed here is Executive Order. They are ordering the ATF (a federal office) to report sales of more than one gun in a 5 day period. The ATF is required to follow that regulation. There is no law preventing you from buying more than one gun.

I am not saying I agree with the order, but it's not a law.

 

[Titegroups]

Nothing says you cant buy more than one a week, the way handgun laws are now. I've bought more than 1 in a week, FFL required to report it to local law enforcement. Nobody asked to search my home or came to take my guns away. A lot of people haven't bought more than one in a week so they don't even know that's the case already.

 

[BIG DAZ UK]

No such thing as reasonable control. Control removes freedom.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin
It won't make any more difference than the "assault weapon ban" and pistol grips or other "scary" features.
Why would the drug cartels buy high price semi auto guns when they can get low cost fully automatic guns from their own country.
People are not safer because of stupid tracking regulations, we are safer because of harsh penalties for breaking the law. There are laws against murder, but it happens. The harsh penalties don't happen and many laws are simply not enforced.
I could go on for a very long time

Our government in UK took our handgun ownership away from us and what happened, handgun crime has rocketed anyway, it always only affects the legal law abiding citizen and we are always the 'easy' target for these governments to make themselves appear 'good' to all the anti gun lobbiests.
But I do think there should be reasonable limits on what you can own, at the end of the day I would be happy being able to own a single .32 pistol for home defense than nothing at all.

 

[alde]

But I do think there should be reasonable limits on what you can own

And what do you consider reasonable? Does owning ten guns make a person more likely to commit a crime than a person with only one? I would bet good money that most criminals only have one gun and most people with many guns have never commited a crime in there lives.

 

[mn_doggie]

There is State Law, Federal Law and Executive Order and there is regulation. They are all different. What is being discussed here is Executive Order. They are ordering the ATF (a federal office) to report sales of more than one gun in a 5 day period. The ATF is required to follow that regulation. There is no law preventing you from buying more than one gun.

I am not saying I agree with the order, but it's not a law.

Telling people it's not a law makes them think they don't have to follow it.

And if you don't follow it, there are no consequences, right?

Call it anything you want. Changing the name is mere semantics. Violate it and bad things will happen.

IF it looks like a law, smells like a law....

And no I don't agree with it either.

 

[amazingflapjack]

read "opperation gun runner" in the current American rifleman Magazine. An eye opener. Flapjack.

 

[Protected]

i say nothing wrong with reporting. if i'm a law-abiding citizen, what do i care who knows how many guns i have or when i bought them. i think this "law" is to help pinpoint people that may be purchasing weapons continually for illegal uses... sorta like the way you have to purchase sudafed from the pharmacy counter now so they can get your info and how much you are buying.

 

[alde]

Telling people it's not a law makes them think they don't have to follow it.

And if you don't follow it, there are no consequences, right?

Call it anything you want. Changing the name is mere semantics. Violate it and bad things will happen.

IF it looks like a law, smells like a law....

And no I don't agree with it either.

I understand what you are saying but there is no law here for a buyer to break. You can buy 10 black rifles in one day. The new regulations require that they be reported to the ATF. If the Federal Government requires one of there agencies to report the sales it's a regulation for them. I know it's just semantics and I think we are both in agreement that it's wrong.

 

[mn_doggie]

I understand what you are saying but there is no law here for a buyer to break. You can buy 10 black rifles in one day. The new regulations require that they be reported to the ATF. If the Federal Government requires one of there agencies to report the sales it's a regulation for them. I know it's just semantics and I think we are both in agreement that it's wrong.

I agree there is no law for a buyer to break, but the seller (maybe an FFL in this case?) still has a responsibility to follow the new requirements. That still makes the thread title "new law for border states" a reasonable statement.

I can't imagine an instance where I would be affected unless someone broke into my house and I decided to replace all my firearms in one fell swoop....

 

[Andy Griffith]

"Reasonable regulation" as has been noted every single time through history finally winds up with subjects having no access to arms period.

What is "reasonable," and who defines it? An anti-gunner will say no firearms is a reasonable amount. If we budge one inch, they will take them from us- completely down to the last one.

That's why the people that shoot EBR's need help from the muzzleloading, rimfire, shotgunners, hunters, antique firearm collectors and pistol shooters. There is no part of firearm ownership that is isolated or insulated from the reach of the nefarious, underhanded and dastardly people that wrongly believe that prohibition is the answer. These same people do and will play the different factions of gun owners against each other whenever possible.

Take a look at the films from Australia and England- unbelievably to me, there are actually people out there that are happy that those firearms are cut up and citizens now have extremely limited access to firearms.

It starts with EBR's- no matter what kind- especially .22's cause they are cheap. Then the .50BMG rifles because no one needs one of those. Then, since your shotgun is larger than 16 gauge- it's an assault weapon. Handguns are dangerous because a criminal might steal it and it holds more than five rounds. Oh, while we're at it, ammunition is dangerous because children might eat it or a terrorist might get one round- so we have to get rid of that too. Now, the remaining hunting guns are too dangerous because criminals are stealing Winchester 94's and collectibles to do their dirty work, so now those have to go. Now, we are gun free and now we have to work on other countries that have gun ownership because that's where our problems are coming from.

Does the above sound familiar???

United we stand, divided we fall.

 

[walnutred]

Since this law cannot have any effect on crime you can expect this law to be expanded into other States as well.