VN helicopter pilot's gun???

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While cleaning my kitchen drawer .38 I started reflecting on the time I purchased the gun. Two young guys had a table at the RK show on Jonesboro Rd. in Atlanta, and had an M10-6 that they were presenting as the gun that a helicopter pilot carried in RVN. They did not know they were talking to a VN helicopter pilot until later. They were claiming the gun was LNIB, which was close. It was in the original box, with most of the stuff in the box still there, but there were some scuff marks on the right side of the muzzle. Otherwise it appeared to have been unfired, outside of the factory, with grips SN'ed to the gun and in, overall, great condition. The box even had the price label ($84.50) still on it, with the original owner's name and address hand written on the inside of the box top. A whole bunch of things went through my mind while I examined the gun, including the fact that it was just too nice to have been carried in Vietnam by a helicopter pilot. Another thing that popped into my mind was why any one would bring a .38 special to Vietnam when that's what you would likely be issued when you got there. I'm thinking a .357 would be more appropriate, or maybe a .44 magnum. The .357 would be the better choice because .38 special ammo was every where. Anything else would likely be smuggled in or mailed to you by a friend or family member.

The VHPA (Vietnam Helicopter Pilot's Association) has one of the world's best data bases on RVN helicopter pilots (all services, including Air America, etc.), as orders for VN (for the Army, at least) usually had 25-30 names on each set of orders, and they have a copy of every one who went there. Well, the guy's name is not in the directory, which means he probably was not a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Of course I didn't have a copy of the directory with me, but the gun was so nice, and the price was definitely right, so I bought it, even though I knew the story was bogus. Plus the gun was shipped at about the time I was in Vietnam. SN: D1440XX=1969-1970.

After the deal was done I told the sellers that I too was a helicopter pilot in RVN, and their faces both showed "Busted!".

When I finally got around to shooting it, POI was all over the target, but after about 30 rounds or so, the groups started tightening up. The more I shot it the more accurate it got. After a few hundred rounds, it's a real tack driver. Those numbers are approximate, but it did improve dramatically with use. The trigger pull on this thing is sooo good. S&W must have been really paying attention to QC on this -6.

This picture does not do the gun justice.
 

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Chief, that's a great story and a nice gun. Who were you with in Vietnam?

Thanks. In 1969 I was with the 187th Assault Helicopter Company (Crusaders), and 1970 the 190th AHC (Spartans). Slick driver with about 25 hours in the front seat of the AH-1G.

pompier, Cobras or Charlie/Mike Models?

I Googled the guy and he is an atletic director with no military or aviation experiance, but it is a VN pilot's gun now.
 
Good find! I have one from the same era, D143xxx, and it was in pretty much the same shape as yours when I got it.
 
Cool story, but I have one question: what do former helicopter pilots do after they leave the service? With all that valuable training , do they usually continue in aviation? I remember reading a book called "Maverick", written by a chopper pilot named Dennis Marvicsin, who flew Hueys and Cobras. I believe he stopped flying after Vietnam.
 
Thanks for your service sir. Nice story and a happy ending/beginning.

Why do you think the groups tightened up on the revolver?
 
After the end of the war there was a glut of helicopter pilots on the market. Most ex-military chopper pilots never flew again. Just like anyone else who served, they found other things to do. I know some who became CPA's, cops, lawyers, etc. Of course, some did continue to pursue a career in aviation. Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University was full of ex-military pilots in the early 70's.
 
We were operating out of Firebase Veghel (by way of Hue) in '69. Saw plenty of chopper pilots, but seemed most of them carried 1911's or S & W or Colt snub .38's.
 
Correction!

Sir, I would like to correct your post? You wrote;
"They did not know they were talking to a VN helicopter pilot until later."
It should have read;
"They did not know they were talking to a surviving VN helicopter pilot until later." In 1965 the life expectancy for you boys was 44hrs!
Thanks you for your service! Enjoy your new shooter
jcelect
 
Welcome home brother. I got nutthin' but respect for chopper pilots and crews. I hooked alotta rides w/ The Vultures of the 162nd in 1968 and 1969. That's a great story about your revolver. I woulda loved to see the look on the seller's face when you told him who you were. PRICELESS ! ! I had a card that allowed me to chow @ the 24/7 messhall adjacent to the chopper pad @ II Field Force. While most crewmen did carry the issue revolver, several carried the GI 1911. Occasionally, I would spot a .357, and I even saw a 4" Python on one occasion. I carried a WW II Singer 1911 that had obliterated numbers as my personal BUG, in addition to my M16A1. I bought it from a 101st Abn trooper when I got in country, and sold it on my way out the door......
 
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TO&E

We were operating out of Firebase Veghel (by way of Hue) in '69. Saw plenty of chopper pilots, but seemed most of them carried 1911's or S & W or Colt snub .38's.

The typical TO&E for an Airmobile/Assault Helicopter Company called for 68 .38 caliber revolvers. Of course in a war zone, there were many side arms "off the books". You can just imagine the stuff that was laying around, most of which disappeared into a CONEX and was carried off on a sling load when an IG inspection was scheduled, then suddenly reappeared when the inspection was over. No one really cared much about who carried what most of the time. The "issue" weapons I encountered were 4-5" revolvers of the .38 type. The real prize for a helicopter pilot was the Swedish K, or a CAR-15.

Thank you all for the kind words. 99% of us believed we were just doing our job, which just happened to be a little different than others. I was lucky enough to be able to make a career out of it, which set me up for my dream corporate gig until I had to give it up for good. The -6 does put a smile on my face!

Sportsterguy, I think the gun had not been fired, outside the factory, when I got it and the barrel must have undergone a "break-in period" of sorts. That's the only thing I can think of to explain the improved acuracy as more rounds were fired. Is that possible?
 
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Is flying a chopper like riding a bike? Do you ever forget? If you haven't flown in 20 years, could you still pilot a chopper? I did 2 years in the ROTC expecting to get aviation as my MOS. Right befor i had to sign the contract, they told me my eyes weren't good enough. Course, they knew my eyesigh was 20/50 for the past two years. So I elected not to continue with it. I've always wanted to fly.
 
After the deal was done I told the sellers that I too was a helicopter pilot in RVN, and their faces both showed "Busted!".

Ah, wouldn't we love to have a picture of that? :D Where most people would have walked away disgusted though, you turned it around into a good transaction and a good story. Nice gun and thanks for sharing.
 
Great story, nice score on the M10, & further proof that M10's aren't "just another pretty face".
I packed one, as a crewmember, also - a Model 10 4". Thankfully, I never needed it. It was a bit of comfort tho.
I searched for a 10-5 4" for quite a while before I found one that was in decent condition. The gun belonged to the sellers grandfather, once I told him my story and convinced him that I'd give it a good home, he was very happy with the transaction.
The serial # of my 10-5 shows it shipped sometime in 1966-67 which puts it in the right time period for my 1969-1970 tour.

Bruce
 

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