9 vs. 40

Cost of shooting?
I bought 1000 rounds of .40 S&W for $245. That's 24.5 cents per round.
You can buy Winchester 9mm from Midway for $54 per 50 rounds, or $1.08 per round.

My point is if you shop around for your range ammo cost becomes a moot point. Guys who buy 50 or 100 packs pay a LOT more for ammo than guys who buy 1000 rounds at a time in most cases.

As for recoil, I think my full size .40 M&P shoots at least as softly as my 9c M&P. My 10 year old thinks the same, except the .40 is louder. So which is easier to shoot and control? That depends on which gun you are getting!

And if you buy a M&P .40, you can drop in a 9mm factory barrel for around $65. You can't go from 9mm to .40 though.

There's a lot more to think about that others here are touching on.

Can you really just order a 9mm barrel from smith & wesson drop it into a 40 slide??
That's pretty darn cool if that's true!
 
Cost of shooting?
I bought 1000 rounds of .40 S&W for $245. That's 24.5 cents per round.
You can buy Winchester 9mm from Midway for $54 per 50 rounds, or $1.08 per round.

My point is if you shop around for your range ammo cost becomes a moot point. Guys who buy 50 or 100 packs pay a LOT more for ammo than guys who buy 1000 rounds at a time in most cases.

As for recoil, I think my full size .40 M&P shoots at least as softly as my 9c M&P. My 10 year old thinks the same, except the .40 is louder. So which is easier to shoot and control? That depends on which gun you are getting!

And if you buy a M&P .40, you can drop in a 9mm factory barrel for around $65. You can't go from 9mm to .40 though.

There's a lot more to think about that others here are touching on.

I'm not that much of an anal range shooter.My gun buddies and I usually all go in together and buy ammo by the 1Ks.That don't last too long between 5-6 shooters.

As for a choice between which to buy,I advised him to buy what feels good to him,not what someone suggests.Don't get me wrong,suggestions are good to "listen" to,to give you a sense of direction.I chose the .40 cal for several reasons, one being I did not have a .40 cal weapon yet.When it comes down to it i'm sure which ever one he chooses now he will most likely buy the other later.
 
I carried a 9mm on duty for 13 years and never felt "under gunned". Then moved onto the larger calibers and was a big fan of the 40. Now I am back to 9mm. The 9mm is highly effective with today's premium JHP rounds and combat proven the world over. Shot placement is the key. All of the service calibers work or fail about the same. I find the 9mm is the easiest caliber for me to shoot fast with speed and accuracy. Also easiest to shoot one handed, either hand, and from awkward positions that may occur in actual combat. Bill

finally some solid advice. the opposite advice of this is the "bigger is better" mentality, which i disagree with. If you can't do any of the following things listed above, you're hindering your ability to defend yourself.
 
finally some solid advice. the opposite advice of this is the "bigger is better" mentality, which i disagree with. If you can't do any of the following things listed above, you're hindering your ability to defend yourself.

Hate to pop the bubble, that's not advise, it's an opinion... :) but if that is the wording you were looking for, it's close. Good luck with your 9, I own about 4-5 9's and carry them too, just not MY go to gun. That's my OPINION, it's not advice.

And by the way, if my OPINION was "bigger is ALWAYS better" I would carry my SW500, 50 cal 4" revolver.... :D or maybe I'd carry one of my 9mm carbines if I could conceal it..
 
Ah, okay I am aware of the storm lake and wolf conversion barrels, I was just wondering if you could take a factory 9mm barrel and put in a 40 slide.

Sure you can, and it usually works.
"The rest of the story:" The 9mm cartridge head is smaller than a .40 cartridge head, so the 9mm cartridge is at least 0.020" misfit undersize on the .40 breechface. Usually it works well enough, but personally I would not carry one to protect my life.
For a range toy, sure, why not?
 
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Hate to pop the bubble, that's not advise, it's an opinion... :) but if that is the wording you were looking for, it's close. Good luck with your 9, I own about 4-5 9's and carry them too, just not MY go to gun. That's my OPINION, it's not advice.

And by the way, if my OPINION was "bigger is ALWAYS better" I would carry my SW500, 50 cal 4" revolver.... :D or maybe I'd carry one of my 9mm carbines if I could conceal it..

But advise derives from opinion. Advise is seeking a preference on coarse. It is based on experiences, facts, and points of view. A answer to a question isnt always opinion if it's pure facts. But advise is an opinion on future actions.
 
But advise derives from opinion. Advise is seeking a preference on coarse. It is based on experiences, facts, and points of view. A answer to a question isnt always opinion if it's pure facts. But advise is an opinion on future actions.

ahhhhhhh, ok... I think I understand...... let me see if this helps..:)

o·pin·ion /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled[uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

ad·vice /ædˈvaɪs/ Show Spelled[ad-vahys] Show IPA
noun
1. an opinion or recommendation offered as a guide to action, conduct, etc.: I shall act on your advice.
2. a communication, especially from a distance, containing information: Advice from abroad informs us that the government has fallen. Recent diplomatic advices have been ominous.
3. an official notification, especially one pertaining to a business agreement: an overdue advice.

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Origin:
1250–1300; late Middle English advise; replacing Middle English avis (with ad- ad- for a- a-5 ) < Old French a vis (taken from the phrase ce m'est a vis that is my impression, it seems to me) < Latin ad ( see ad-) + vīsus ( see visage)
 
But advise derives from opinion. Advise is seeking a preference on coarse. It is based on experiences, facts, and points of view. A answer to a question isnt always opinion if it's pure facts. But advise is an opinion on future actions.

Jesus Mary and Joseph, The guy is simply asking some info on a carry weapon. some say 9mm some 40S&W (i say 40 S&W). he is looking for adise from members on this forum
 
If you are considering a .40 but don't like the recoil the M&P is a great choice of all the .40s I have shot it seems to recoil the least. The biggest thing to me is the way that .40s they seem to be a whole lot snappier in their recoil than either the 9s or 45s which both exhibit more of a push type recoil to me where the 40 is more of a quick snap.

For me the M&P 40 seemed right, I seem to be better adapted to getting back on target with the snappy recoil than the push of the other guns but that is all dependent on the individual.
 
Jesus Mary and Joseph, The guy is simply asking some info on a carry weapon. some say 9mm some 40S&W (i say 40 S&W). he is looking for adise from members on this forum

I carried my BG380 last nite to the hockey game and again this morning to church... Put the 380 in the vault when I got home and put the M&P45 next to me watching tv and next to the nite stand when I went to bed....think I'll carry the 40c the rest of the day.... yard work, dinner at Mom's, watching the football game....... etc... I like all the calibers for different situations.. I bought my M&P40fs as my first purchase, the 9mm Storm Lake barrel shortly there after, then the M&P9c for the wife, " that was just an excuse to get the 9c" then the M&P45 when I got hot for one and lastly after playing and carrying all of them, I settled on the M&P40c... it just felt really good in my hand, I shot it very well and the bottom line I felt totally comfortable with a great IWB Crossbreed Supertuck holster... The beauty of the 40's is you can buy the 9mm barrels but if you buy a 9, you can't buy a 40 barrel.
 
Jesus Mary and Joseph, The guy is simply asking some info on a carry weapon. some say 9mm some 40S&W (i say 40 S&W). he is looking for adise from members on this forum

and i did on post #25. Thank you.
 
Can you really just order a 9mm barrel from smith & wesson drop it into a 40 slide??
That's pretty darn cool if that's true!

Well, I have read a lot of posts here, and be forewarned that some people believe if the barrel isn't manufactured by Storm there's no way it will work, but I've read far too many problems people have with Storm barrels to ever want to try one for myself!

I don't think the breech face difference is anything to worry about if you are using the 9mm at the range and using the factory .40 barrel for self defense. Remember, the Storm conversion barrel does nothing for the breech face or extractor either.

Midway sells factory S&W barrels for $65 and sometimes has them on sale for as low as $58.

Here is a great write up by SWMod10 with pictures and measurements. He even used the factory .40 magazine and it performed flawlessly except the last shell doesn't feed due to the follower engaging the slide stop.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/170963-test-9mm-factory-barrel-m-p-40-a.html

Unfortunately I expect to get a lot of grief about the perils of using the factory 9mm barrel in a .40. That's the nature of some of our posters. Try to read past the negativity and see the facts for yourself. I personally have not tried the 9mm in my .40, I just bought a new 9mm. :D I would not hesitate to use a 9mm barrel in my .40 though. Not one second. :cool:
 
and i did on post #25. Thank you.

I beg to Differ Sir, The original post from USMCDEVILDOGG advised that he was "torn between the 9 and 40" and was asking for comment/concerns for either weapon. You answered a question from Lanxandreads regarging dropping a 9mm into a 40 slide. Actually you offered NO comments/concerns regarding his question Nice try though

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Get the 9mm, take the $ savings on ammo cost and shoot/train more.
 
Get the 9mm, take the $ savings on ammo cost and shoot/train more.

Ok, The price/savings is so minimal in the two calibers. A quick search yielded the following results\

SGAMMO 500rnds 40cal Rem Ball 165 grain $129.90
500rnds 9mm Rem Ball 147 grain $119.50 $10.40 diff

500 rnds 9mm Win Ranger 127 gr +p $239.50
500 rnds 40 Win Ranger 165 grain $245.00 $5.50Diff
That was just one web site Ammo to go usually has some great deals as well.
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Ok, The price/savings is so minimal in the two calibers. A quick search yielded the following results\

SGAMMO 500rnds 40cal Rem Ball 165 grain $129.90
500rnds 9mm Rem Ball 147 grain $119.50 $10.40 diff

500 rnds 9mm Win Ranger 127 gr +p $239.50
500 rnds 40 Win Ranger 165 grain $245.00 $5.50Diff
That was just one web site Ammo to go usually has some great deals as well.
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If you are going to gather facts at least be objective. 1000 rounds of 165 grain .40 cal are $247.95. 1000 rounds of 9mm Lawman are $197.95. That is a $50.00 difference, $50.00 per thousand is not minimal if you are serious about training and shooting a lot.
 
If you are going to gather facts at least be objective. 1000 rounds of 165 grain .40 cal are $247.95. 1000 rounds of 9mm Lawman are $197.95. That is a $50.00 difference, $50.00 per thousand is not minimal if you are serious about training and shooting a lot.

Come on will ya.... really.... if you have to worry about 50. bucks diff for a 1,000 rounds then maybe you should just buy a 22lr... and this getting serious about training.... what is this M4Carbine.net now.... :eek::D
 

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