He didn't throw it on the ground. It got wet in the rain.....just like his car.
I will never tell another officer I'm carrying again.
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He didn't throw it on the ground. It got wet in the rain.....just like his car.
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rchance
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Yes it could have been worse but to keep it from happening again I'm not volunteering any info I don't have to. I will obey the law but go no further. I should have remembered the military rule: never volunteer for anything unless ordered. It didn't bother me so much that he took my gun. It's him leaving it in the rain and his attitude at the beginning. But at least he did apologize. So I'll leave it at that.
Moonman
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rchance,
Your post says you were stopped driving your truck in Indiana (pickup or 18 wheeler) and your info says you're from Kentucky, do you travel much. If you travel multi-state you should have read, made a copy and really keep a folder with you of all the CCW state laws that you pass through. CCW along with other laws are in a continual state of flux, changing or subject to change.
Law Enforcement is really engaged in the PRACTICE of law enforcement, much the same as a DOCTOR (the practice of medicine), an ATTORNEY (the practice of law) so says there license certificate. A Rookie just out of the academy for sure is not nearly as well PRACTICED as a 30 year veteran.
In my state of Ohio, You have a duty to inform and the law was recently changed. Under the old law your CCW was in DEEP DO-DO if you did not inform, the penalty is now reduced.
Rookies and Vets have the same feelings about wanting to feel safe and to go home alive tonight. Take time to read the statistics on LEO'S injured or killed during traffic stops, their family and friends live with that reality every day. Lighten up, they're just people doing a very important job.
People make mistakes, really great people admit and correct them.
Everyone should work at KEEPING IT SAFE OUT THERE, Drivers, Truckers and LEO'S.
Have a safe day.
Your post says you were stopped driving your truck in Indiana (pickup or 18 wheeler) and your info says you're from Kentucky, do you travel much. If you travel multi-state you should have read, made a copy and really keep a folder with you of all the CCW state laws that you pass through. CCW along with other laws are in a continual state of flux, changing or subject to change.
Law Enforcement is really engaged in the PRACTICE of law enforcement, much the same as a DOCTOR (the practice of medicine), an ATTORNEY (the practice of law) so says there license certificate. A Rookie just out of the academy for sure is not nearly as well PRACTICED as a 30 year veteran.
In my state of Ohio, You have a duty to inform and the law was recently changed. Under the old law your CCW was in DEEP DO-DO if you did not inform, the penalty is now reduced.
Rookies and Vets have the same feelings about wanting to feel safe and to go home alive tonight. Take time to read the statistics on LEO'S injured or killed during traffic stops, their family and friends live with that reality every day. Lighten up, they're just people doing a very important job.
People make mistakes, really great people admit and correct them.
Everyone should work at KEEPING IT SAFE OUT THERE, Drivers, Truckers and LEO'S.
Have a safe day.
Faulkner
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That's why some of us carry a Glock, don't have to worry about a little rain rusting it up.
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The lingo you use, "shutting me down", sounds like you're a trucker. Were you driving a pickup truck or semi? There's a lot of folks who mistakenly believe it's against federal law to have a gun in a commercial vehicle. A great many trucking companies forbid it, but it's not against federal law.
I've only been pulled over once. I handed over my Tennessee DL and HCP to the officer at the same time. Nothing more was said about a gun. Though, I had my killer attack Puggle riding shotgun with me so maybe the officer just wanted to avoid any conflict.
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Packard
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He was unsure of the law. That is probably the fault of management's failure to train the police properly, and not a fault of the officer himself.
He erred, but on the side of caution. I think his actions were appropriate considering the level of training he has received.
In almost all cases where a LEO does not know the law, I think the blame belongs to management and not to the officer who does not know.
I think it would be a huge error to lie to the cop if he asked if you were carrying and you said "no". If he asked you then to take a sobriety test, or step out of the vehicle and saw that you were carrying he probably would have handcuffed you and brought you to the station.
All in all, I think you are making a big deal out of a small matter. A little water? That's what they made hair dryers for.
cmort666
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More like leaving his convertible in the rain with the top down.
He didn't bother to know the law and messed with somebody's private property.
FAIL
cmort666
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And if they can't do it in a professional manner, they should find a different job.
There's no more excuse for the cop not to know the carry laws in Indiana than there was for the woman from Tennessee to not know the NYC carry laws.
To enforce the law you have to KNOW the law. Otherwise you're just enforcing pure WHIM.
I read many of the posts on this thread, but not all (there's too many and I'm too lazy) ..... but IMO the whole problem can be narrowed down to people (LEO's & the General Public) not using COMMON SENSE & PRUDENCE in these situations.
No... I will not volunteer that I have a weapon on me or in my vehicle, but I will not lie if the LEO asks...I just hope the LEO will use common sense.
I really don't expect the LEO's to know every law or ordinance on the books....my goodness there are so many laws and ordinances put on the books by "idiot politicians" that no one can possibly know them all.
What I do hope for, is that "EVERYONE", LEO's and the Public will just think and use their God given common sense in these situations........unecessary laws be d@mned!!!
Don
No... I will not volunteer that I have a weapon on me or in my vehicle, but I will not lie if the LEO asks...I just hope the LEO will use common sense.
I really don't expect the LEO's to know every law or ordinance on the books....my goodness there are so many laws and ordinances put on the books by "idiot politicians" that no one can possibly know them all.
What I do hope for, is that "EVERYONE", LEO's and the Public will just think and use their God given common sense in these situations........unecessary laws be d@mned!!!
Don
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cmort666,
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder concerning situations, have you had a bad LEO experience or what?
I notice you were in the Army, Thank You for your service Sir.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder concerning situations, have you had a bad LEO experience or what?
I notice you were in the Army, Thank You for your service Sir.
I know it’s frustrating when things like this happen, but remember the officer did apologize and attempted to dry your pistol off. We all make mistakes, and for gosh sakes I’ve made more than my share.
Happy New Year All,
Happy New Year All,
Bullzaye
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In the few times that I have been pulled over, I have always immediately informed the officer that I was carrying a concealed firearm. In every instance, even those few were I was guilty of a minor traffic infraction, the officer did not write me up...always thanking me for letting them know that I was armed.
Just a month or so ago I performed an illegal U-turn right in front of a police car (I missed the all-too-obvious sign, and I believed the U-turn was legal at the moment.) After being pulled over, I informed the officer that I was carrying a concealed weapon. After checking my license, registration and insurance, he also let me off with just a warning, and thanked me for informing him that I was carrying.
So, I always inform the LEO if I'm carrying when pulled over. It's always worked out for me.
I don't believe I would be too terribly concerned if my gun got a bit rain-soaked. If my gun couldn't handle a little rain, I think I'd look for a different carry piece.
Tim
Just a month or so ago I performed an illegal U-turn right in front of a police car (I missed the all-too-obvious sign, and I believed the U-turn was legal at the moment.) After being pulled over, I informed the officer that I was carrying a concealed weapon. After checking my license, registration and insurance, he also let me off with just a warning, and thanked me for informing him that I was carrying.
So, I always inform the LEO if I'm carrying when pulled over. It's always worked out for me.
I don't believe I would be too terribly concerned if my gun got a bit rain-soaked. If my gun couldn't handle a little rain, I think I'd look for a different carry piece.
Tim
Are you a Police Officer Sir, Or Have anyone in your immediate family that is a Police Officer??
ogilvyspecial
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That about sums up my feelings, right down to the Happy New Year!!
Maybe because I was falsely arrested back in the early 80's (non firearm related) things like a wet gun seem small by comparison. Like old bear mentioned, the officer who left the gun out in the rain did apologize.
When I got arrested my apology for 12 hours of incarceration came a couple of years later in the form of a check from the Co. Board of Commisioners in the amount of $13,000. After my Attorney took his well deserved share I ended up with $8,800 & change.
For the record, as strange as this may seem to some, the arresting officer, in fact all of the LEO's in my case were on my side. It was an idiot at the Friend of The Court that was the bad guy......
Since it is New Year's Eve I'll mention something else. The year I got my settlement I attended a New Year's Eve party that was attended by all Friend of The Court Employees.
I only knew 3 people there so I kept mostly to myself and while doing so I heard a group talking about all of the idiots, they used a stronger anatomical term, that they had to deal with on "the other side of the counter" while working at The Friend of The Court.
At a certain point I walked over and said "Don't you think that some of the "idiots" just might be on your side of the counter?"
They all looked at me & got real quiet before one of them said, in a very forceful voice, "And who the heck are you?" When I said my name they all got that deer in the headlights look before quickly moving off, all in different directions. You would have sworn someone had dropped a skunk in their midst.
That was a great New Year's Eve Party!
Not a good analogy at all. Your shopping cart example is based on malice.
Yeah, and my car has a few door dings from the grocery store parking lot, and a lot of little bitty rock chips on the front bumper and hood. What can I do about that? I guess I could walk every where I go (I suspect I'd eventually be hit by a car), or just accept it as normal wear and tear.
I'm not saying the officer did things right by allowing the gun to sit in the rain. He did admit a mistake and made an effort to restore the gun to its owner dry.
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dwever
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I am fifty-one years old and you're right, the standards are not what they were thirty years ago. Our accountability is much higher today both to our agencies and to the public, standards are higher too. For example, we now have to pass a military style physical fitness test consisting of a distance run, push ups and sit ups, all back to back, every year. Training is FAR more extensive - by the time a guy goes through the academy after seven months, he still has months with an FTO. For example, today Traffic Homicide Investigator's school takes a working knowledge of trigonometry. Many of our new guys come in with four year degrees and more; often we see master's and law degrees by arresting officers in our agencies (I have a double B.S., two master's degrees, and 21 semester hours towards a doctorate). And we do not have a point or quota system in name or practice. Such sweeping and dramatically inaccurate generalizations have no place in a public forum.
dwever
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Okay, with the guy on this thread insisting we know all laws, I'm a bit nervous answering you
. No notification requirement here. However, this morning I had a guy pulled over who said he did not have a CCW, but he had pistols in the car as he was headed to the range, he had two teenagers in back. His assumption was it was okay as long as he was going to the range, a common erroneous assumption here. I told him in the State of Alabama, any time you have a weapon that has less than a 12" barrel, you must have a CCW for car transport with the exception of three conditions: 1. you purchased the weapon and are taking it home. 2. you are changing domiciles or business locations, 3. you are taking the weapon to or returning it from repairs. But under all three of these, there are transport conditions that must be followed.
Under the circumstances of the stop, I did not even ask to see his weapons, make him get out of the car or anything. I just told him to refrain from further transport until he was in compliance with the law by obtaining a CCW.
Hmmm . . . . so it is impossible for someone who does not have a CCW to legally take a handgun to the range in Alabama.
Chuck1217
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It's amazing to me how many threads end up like this one. There are so many nice guys here, always willing to help- some help with dumb questions (I have asked one or two) without making fun. Every time I see threads with more than 3-4 pages of replies I figure it's argumentative.
Ever since I got my permit to CC I ahve practiced what I would say if stopped- I was told it's kinda like shooting, you may forget exactly what to do unless you practice- and I simply say over and over "Officer I have a cc permit and I am armed, what would you like me to do?" Keeping my hands on the wheel.In this case the cop was a bit of a jerk at first, realized his mistake and tried to fix it. Unexcusable ? Not in my opinion. I made a mistake just last week... might make another one some day soon. Seems to me hardcore, argumentative replies are just as big a mistake. Long as we learn from those mistakes.
Happy new year, may God bless America- we really are gonna need Him.
Ever since I got my permit to CC I ahve practiced what I would say if stopped- I was told it's kinda like shooting, you may forget exactly what to do unless you practice- and I simply say over and over "Officer I have a cc permit and I am armed, what would you like me to do?" Keeping my hands on the wheel.In this case the cop was a bit of a jerk at first, realized his mistake and tried to fix it. Unexcusable ? Not in my opinion. I made a mistake just last week... might make another one some day soon. Seems to me hardcore, argumentative replies are just as big a mistake. Long as we learn from those mistakes.
Happy new year, may God bless America- we really are gonna need Him.
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