So what have I got here? .38 Sp +P semi jacketed lead hollow point?

[AJMBLAZER]

Found these in the "bargain bin" of a local gun store in a plastic bag for a few bucks. Thought the bullets looked neat so I bought them since I happened to actually have real cash money in my pocket for once. Figured at the least we could disassemble them and have ten nickel plated +P cases and ten neat looking bullets.

Nickel plated cases.
Case head says

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38 SPL +P

The bullets have a partial jacket that goes up and down about 2/3 the way up the bullet in a sawtooth pattern. The lead portion is pretty standard and continues the curve of the bullet from the jacket with a decently wide opening.

Only thing I noticed that makes me cock an eyebrow is several of the rounds are different heights. In most the cannelure is right above the edge of the case while in a few it is either partially within the case or just inside of the case. Bullet setback or something I wonder?

Sorry for the crappy pictures, my phone's my camera and it's begging for replacement.

 

[Sebago Son]

Looks like the 1980's era loading of the Remington-Peters 125 grain +P "Scollop Point". Was in vogue at the end of the Revolver Era. Was once the issue of many Federal Services and it had a better than average reputation among the Feds...

 

[AJMBLAZER]

Any opinion on the bullet setback?

Reloading fodder or safe to blast away?

 

[moxie]

The SJHP is one of Remington's best rounds, in .38 and .357.

As long as you can see the cannelure you're probably g2g. If the cannelure has disappeared you are right, probably setback. Toss/disassemble those.

 

[Treeman]

No issue-they are all crimped in the groove.

 

[PH-2]

AJM,

What's your gun and hand and face worth?

I'd pull 'em for components.

Mike

 

[gscrasher]

Set-back doesn't seem too likely in a revolver round.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Was in vogue at the end of the Revolver Era.

It ended? I don't think so!

ECS

 

[ArchAngelCD]

That is good ammo. I like those "rose peddle" bullets, they expand well. I see no reason not to shoot them as long as you feel they are factory fresh...

 

[Have gun-will travel]

Found these in the "bargain bin" of a local gun store in a plastic bag for a few bucks. Thought the bullets looked neat so I bought them since I happened to actually have real cash money in my pocket for once. Figured at the least we could disassemble them and have ten nickel plated +P cases and ten neat looking bullets.

Nickel plated cases.
Case head says

R -dot- P
38 SPL +P

The bullets have a partial jacket that goes up and down about 2/3 the way up the bullet in a sawtooth pattern. The lead portion is pretty standard and continues the curve of the bullet from the jacket with a decently wide opening.

Only thing I noticed that makes me cock an eyebrow is several of the rounds are different heights. In most the cannelure is right above the edge of the case while in a few it is either partially within the case or just inside of the case. Bullet setback or something I wonder?

Sorry for the crappy pictures, my phone's my camera and it's begging for replacement.

I have a box old 125 grain and a box of 158 grain in the "old" Remington petal bullets.The 158's are longer than the 125's.Do you reload? Do you have scales? If so weight the bullets with different lengths.There should be a noticeable difference in the weight.25 to 28 gr.difference

 

[m1gunner]

I have several boxes of the 125 gr SJHP rounds. Just pulled some out and they are as you describe, crimp in different places relative to the cannulure. But all crimped somewhere in the cannulure.

None of my rounds have been out of the box since new, so no possibility of setback.
IIRC, the cannulure isn't in exactly the same location bullet to bullet on these . It varies, but not a lot.

 

[AJMBLAZER]

Are the overall lengths different? Mine are several different lengths.

 

[JRWnTN]

They are someone's reloads. Who knows what powder charge was used and if they're safe.

Pull the bullets and pour the powder on the lawn. Weight the bullets (so you'll know the proper data to use) and reload them in the cases.

 

[m1gunner]

Are the overall lengths different? Mine are several different lengths.

Got to thinking about this today and went and found my caliper. They are different lengths, and the cannulure is in the same place on each projectile.

These aren't reloads, I bought them new myself and they are still in original packaging.

 

[AJMBLAZER]

Really? They were that inconsistent from the factory?


I think I'll just pull the bullets and put new powder in them to be sure we can fire them safely.

 

[chief38]

A good practice (IMHO) is to stick exclusively with Factory produced and boxed bullets, and stay away from zip lock "bag-o-bullets" gun show bargain ammo. You NEVER REALLY KNOW what you are shooting, and that is dangerous. I will NOT even shoot friends reloads - keeps the friendship going! Reloading yourself is the best way of insuring you know what you are shooting and is much more affordable.

Chief38

 

[AJMBLAZER]

From my original message at the start of this thread.

Found these in the "bargain bin" of a local gun store in a plastic bag for a few bucks. Thought the bullets looked neat so I bought them since I happened to actually have real cash money in my pocket for once. Figured at the least we could disassemble them and have ten nickel plated +P cases and ten neat looking bullets.

Nickel plated cases.
Case head says

R -dot- P
38 SPL +P

The bullets have a partial jacket that goes up and down about 2/3 the way up the bullet in a sawtooth pattern. The lead portion is pretty standard and continues the curve of the bullet from the jacket with a decently wide opening.

Only thing I noticed that makes me cock an eyebrow is several of the rounds are different heights. In most the cannelure is right above the edge of the case while in a few it is either partially within the case or just inside of the case. Bullet setback or something I wonder?

Sorry for the crappy pictures, my phone's my camera and it's begging for replacement.

 

[Stu Honea]

The scalloped jacket loads from Remington that you have were good for their time and I carried and shot a lot of them,both in .38 and .357.
There is,of course,much better choices today due to the advances in bullet construction technology,but these old loads will still do what they always did.They actually worked pretty well at the time. There's a local shop here that still has some of these in stock,but I don't know how old they are.
I have about half a box somewhere in the old ammo pile.

 

[kmrcstintn]

it's the same as Remington UMC 125gr sjhp +p that you see in 100 rd value packs @ Wally World without the nickel plated cases...it is a good 'stash' or 'back up' load to your premium designer defense loads

 

[MichiganScott]

A good practice (IMHO) is to stick exclusively with Factory produced and boxed bullets, and stay away from zip lock "bag-o-bullets" gun show bargain ammo. You NEVER REALLY KNOW what you are shooting, and that is dangerous. I will NOT even shoot friends reloads - keeps the friendship going! Reloading yourself is the best way of insuring you know what you are shooting and is much more affordable.

Chief38

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Almost every "kaboom" I've ever heard of has been caused by either gunshow reloads or gunshow powder.