stuch77
Member
man everybody was in such a rush building those guns. if they slow down a couple notches while putting them togther there be alot less mistakes imho.
Last edited:
frustrated with quality control, need to vent some anger!
- Thread starter treerat
- Start date
I agree. What's really sad is that everywhere you look it's the same.
Between the "don't give a damn" attitude and the plain incompetence
that is so prevalent today, we hardly have a chance!
TNFrank
Member
You want a real nightmare buy a Kel-Tec.
Driftwood Johnson
Member
Howdy
Just as a point of argument, the great guns that S&W and all the other makers built long, long ago, were built by workers who were paid according to how many units they produced per week.
I am not denying there are quality problems today at S&W, but in the past as well as today, highly skilled workers work quickly, they have to in order to keep their jobs. This was as true 100 years ago as it is today.
Sebago Son
Member
Not fanning the flames here, but just a question.
How many of you fellas that have problem guns bought them on-line from the low-buck / high volume houses?
Did you examine the gun in detail before you picked it out and paid for it?
How many of you fellas that have problem guns bought them on-line from the low-buck / high volume houses?
Did you examine the gun in detail before you picked it out and paid for it?
Steve in Vermont
Member
- Joined
- Jan 16, 2011
- Messages
- 1,969
- Reaction score
- 1,379
For me, I've bought 3 new S&W guns and they all appear to be working fine. That said, I'll probably never buy a new gun again, from anyone. I'll buy used in very good to excellent condition, "broke in" so to speak. S&W (and others) had better be thankful Japan isn't in the gun manufacturing business. They'd eat our lunch, as they did to the auto industry in the 70's and 80's. Welcome to our new world where everything, guns and people included, are "disposable".
Steve in Vermont
Member
- Joined
- Jan 16, 2011
- Messages
- 1,969
- Reaction score
- 1,379
Every gun I ever bought new was from a LGS, straight from the factory. But that's a good question, something I'd never considered. Could it be what S&W sends to it's LGS dealers is different than to the high-volume houses?
Sebago Son
Member
Two points to consider Steve....
First off, if you pick your gun out at the Local Gun Shop you support the local trade.
Secondly, and more to the point, you will have a chance to select the exact gun you want and any obvious problem (such as excessive barrel gap, finish issues, etc.) are evident before you plunk down your cash.
It wouldn't be the first time that a Firearms Manufacturer had different standards for different distribution lines.
I've seen alot of guys buy online and use some of the "Big Box" sellers to save $5 a unit. You get what they ship and you know that the Big Box is not going to inspect the gun for you. When (if) there's a problem they tell you to take it up with the manufacturer... in this case, Smith & Wesson.
I can't say if Smith is building more dogs these days, but having lived through the early Bangor Punta days as a dealer I shipped alot of guns back to Smith that the Customer ordered through me and did not meet our standards. The Customer in these circumstances never laid out a dime until the guns were right...
Drew
First off, if you pick your gun out at the Local Gun Shop you support the local trade.
Secondly, and more to the point, you will have a chance to select the exact gun you want and any obvious problem (such as excessive barrel gap, finish issues, etc.) are evident before you plunk down your cash.
It wouldn't be the first time that a Firearms Manufacturer had different standards for different distribution lines.
I've seen alot of guys buy online and use some of the "Big Box" sellers to save $5 a unit. You get what they ship and you know that the Big Box is not going to inspect the gun for you. When (if) there's a problem they tell you to take it up with the manufacturer... in this case, Smith & Wesson.
I can't say if Smith is building more dogs these days, but having lived through the early Bangor Punta days as a dealer I shipped alot of guns back to Smith that the Customer ordered through me and did not meet our standards. The Customer in these circumstances never laid out a dime until the guns were right...
Drew
TNFrank
Member
Not to get too far off base but I've read that WalMart has a different(i.e. Lower) quality of tire that they sell. That's why major tire manufactures don't warranty their brand of tires sold by WalMart. Also I was on an archery forum a couple years ago learning about crossbows and was told that the crossbows that WalMart sells are lower quality then the same ones form the other suppliers. I've also heard that their guns are lesser quality too but have no hard evidence to back it up.
peppercorn
Member
I ordered a new Smith from an online source in the midwest, also a real gunstore, a few days back and paid by postal M/O.
Because of threads like this one I called back the next day and asked the fellow I had worked with the day before to please inspect the three guns he had in stock that were of the model I wanted and to please ship me the better of the lot.
He did so while I was on the phone with him but not before assuring me that Smiths were typically beautiful out of the box.
Wouldn't you know that the first one he opened to inspect, well, I'll let him take it from here.
'(This) looks like sh#@!, the da%& barrel is all scratched to sh%#, this thing looks like sh%#! This one is going back to Smith!'
The next two passed his inspection. I was glad I paid via money order as it allowed me time to sleep on it and follow up on a gut felling, probably, again, steming from a thread like this one.
.................BINGO!!
TNFrank
Member
I often wonder if Anti-Gun types might be getting jobs at firearms manufacturing plants in order to turn out junk on purpose. 
I often wonder if Anti-Gun types might be getting jobs at firearms manufacturing plants in order to turn out junk on purpose.
Yeah and no doubt it was their fathers who faked the Apollo moon missions.
Sebago Son
Member
Doubt It...
That's not very likely.
Most anti-gun types don't work. They either live off the taxpayer or a trust fund.
I often wonder if Anti-Gun types might be getting jobs at firearms manufacturing plants in order to turn out junk on purpose.
That's not very likely.
Most anti-gun types don't work. They either live off the taxpayer or a trust fund.
And they spend their off time looking for Sasquatch.
I've bought 4 or 5 Smiths from Budsgunshop, and all of them were made to the highest standards of firearms production. I've seen guns at local retailers that shouldn't be in the case. So, I don't see this separate line of firearms that people are talking about. But I'm all ears if someone can prove the theory.
I do understand the value of a personal inspection of a firearm, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any inferior products being shipped to Bob's Gun Shop, only that they may get weeded out before final sale
I do understand the value of a personal inspection of a firearm, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any inferior products being shipped to Bob's Gun Shop, only that they may get weeded out before final sale
Last edited:
