Every company that has a high demand for their products will produce a few lemons. I had to send a new TALO 686+ back twice, in the first 2 months of ownership. I had the LGS special order it so I couldn't refuse it when I first laid eyes on it. S&W did make it right and that's what counts. I'm happy.
s&w had there LAST chance with me!
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Sportsterguy
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I too am sorry for you and the many others buying and paying big bucks for a poorly built product. This crooked barrel issue has come up many times of late. Ask a good Gunsmith their opinion on a clocked barrel and they'll tell you it's WRONG!
ALL of my S&W are older models and not one of them have a misaligned barrel. I checked them all 3 times and they all were dead on like they are supposed to be. The only one thats ever given me a problem was my 6" 57 that I shot loose after 20K rounds back in 85. Back then S&W did me right on the repairs which included recutting the forcing cone from all of them magnums. The revolver still shoots like a champ to this day.
There are not that may people who buy S&W's and are members of our forum and don't know all of the issues with the newer models. I advise anyone looking for a revolver (especially for SD) to buy an older pre lock model that can be bought for the same price or less than a newer model that may malfunction at a critical time. If they decide to buy a newer model I go with them to check it out for em. About 30% have misaligned barrels, which is a deal buster for me.
S&W's workmanship and quality control have taken a nose dive IMO, yet people keep buying them as they are new to the game in many cases. They are all not bad but way too many have issues that keep me from buying a newer model. I may be missing out on some fine weapons but the ones I have will cover the entire gamet of what I need from them in the different calibers, from .22 - .41 magnum.
If you find anything amiss with your new warranted models send them back and have them repaired. Keep doing it until the gun is right. Let S&W know they have a problem, and they do IMO with their craftsmanship and severe lack of quality control. If it causes a slight increase in money let it be as many a life is depending on the weapon working properly and protecting you and your loved one's lives.
JMHO.
Well said Roger ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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hmmm...think i'll stick to smith&wesson...that way i don't have to be calling them to the extent that i recognize who answers the phone
SixGunHunter
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I think there should be a seperate forum, just for new misfit guns.....
+1
+1 also with all those that perfer the older Smiths.
I won't buy a new Smith in any form.
I think it's time for all the anti-S&W people who think they "know it all" to form their own handgun company. It would be comic entertainment to see the product and service they would provide.
You guys need to sell all your offensive early and late S&W handguns to help chill you out a little.... I'm, uh, buyin' these "foul turkey's" any time, any day, willing to pay you the meager sums you think they're worth -- so are others..........
You guys need to sell all your offensive early and late S&W handguns to help chill you out a little.... I'm, uh, buyin' these "foul turkey's" any time, any day, willing to pay you the meager sums you think they're worth -- so are others..........
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MakeMyNight
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Sittin' here enjoying ALL of My S&W revolvers and autos, and not a single harumf uttered.
longranger
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You are just flat out wrong,have you ever even shot one ? When you make something for 125+ years you will find detractors. And S&W has been making which model for how long ? Colt SAA is the most reproduced revolver ever,why ? What are the problems ? more internet B.S. with no experience.
Badquaker
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I must be a lucky individual. Out of a dozen S&W's over 30 years, the worst problem I had was a single stovepipe out of a 410.
I never had a problem with a S&W either till this, its unfortunate too. WHat did you pay for your .410, I have been looking for one. The only ones i can find local are single shots.
StatesRightist
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Here's a good idea for you Curmudgeons, don't buy any new guns since inspecting them prior to buying them is such a hassle and an affront for you. It will keep the prices down for the rest of us.
I've bought new 8 S&W's in the last two years, including a 686 that's as nice as any of the older Smith's I own. I sent one back due to a timing issue it developed after a few rounds, I got it back 100% fixed in less than 10 days.
Seriously, just don't buy them and leave those of us who do check a gun out before buying to do what we think is right. That way everyone is happy. Why is that an issue?
I'd like to have a hand put together gun for $400-$500 too, but those days are gone. MIM is here to stay or prices will start at 1k or so with long lines waiting to pick theirs up.
I've bought new 8 S&W's in the last two years, including a 686 that's as nice as any of the older Smith's I own. I sent one back due to a timing issue it developed after a few rounds, I got it back 100% fixed in less than 10 days.
Seriously, just don't buy them and leave those of us who do check a gun out before buying to do what we think is right. That way everyone is happy. Why is that an issue?
I'd like to have a hand put together gun for $400-$500 too, but those days are gone. MIM is here to stay or prices will start at 1k or so with long lines waiting to pick theirs up.
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mball
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I think I'll pick up a lottery ticket tomorrow.
Sportsterguy
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May open their eyes and bring them back to producing a quality handgun that doesn't need the Lifetime waranty! JMO
Your point about high demand may be valid, but I dont remember hearing about it if it happened, but there was no internet back then. But back in the 70's, post Dirty Harry, Gun Shops couldnt keep Model 29's on the shelf, plus a very high percentage of LEO's were using some form of S&W 357 magnum or 38. I dont recall Smith trying to hurry guns out the factory and cutting corners.
I would say that S&W quality control was probably at it's worse in the late 80's and early 90's after the LEO market for revolvers fell through the floor and everyone wanted that newfangled cutting edge semi auto or plastic gun
Helderberg
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These are my four. All new and all great. Sorry for your problems but mine are good. I did have a question about the 638 so Smith paid me to send it in. They corrected the issue and sent it back in perfect shape. As it turns out I had asked them to fix something within spec but they did what I asked anyway. I had Ruger's go bad and they were fixed also so I believe the gun makers are struggling to keep up but I do wish I did not have to be their Qc. Considering the gun's I end up with I still think it is worth the rare inconvenience. As far as Colt is concerned, I handled one of their mini 1911 chambered in 9mm I believe. Very disappointing. Sharp edges and a creepy trigger. I will stick with new S&W, I don't like buying other peoples problems.
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I have purchased an M&P 9, Model 617, Model 629, Model 63, SW1911E, Model 60 Pro Series, Model 36 Classic Series... all of them new... since 2009, and every one has been functionally flawless, and cosmetically beautiful. I just can't attribute that to luck (particularly in light of my utter lack of luck in all other endeavors...)
My 8 other used Smith and Wessons are also holding up well....and some of them have quite a bit of mileage.
I only own Smith and Wesson handguns currently. I've had Sigs, Springfield Armory, Rugers and Colts...but they're gone now... traded or sold to facilitate the acquisition of a new (or new to me) Smith and Wesson.
I had to return my M&P 15-22 for a known problem, and the customer service was polite, professional; the repairs were quick and resulted in a firearm that was better than before it broke. The turnaround time couldn't have been more prompt.
Might just be me, but I'm hooked.
I ain't going anywhere...anytime soon.
My 8 other used Smith and Wessons are also holding up well....and some of them have quite a bit of mileage.
I only own Smith and Wesson handguns currently. I've had Sigs, Springfield Armory, Rugers and Colts...but they're gone now... traded or sold to facilitate the acquisition of a new (or new to me) Smith and Wesson.
I had to return my M&P 15-22 for a known problem, and the customer service was polite, professional; the repairs were quick and resulted in a firearm that was better than before it broke. The turnaround time couldn't have been more prompt.
Might just be me, but I'm hooked.
I ain't going anywhere...anytime soon.
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