Want a new barrel

[dirty gary]

After reading everyones comments, I'm thinking I'll pass on any 15-22, even if the deal is great. I have a 10/22 with a few bells & whistles (Magnum Research barrel, Volquartsen trigger, Zeiss scope), it shoots better than me. Have had ragged .65 inch 10 shot at 50 yds a few times, with any old ammo (it loves Eley match).

 

[Majorlk]

After reading everyones comments, I'm thinking I'll pass on any 15-22, even if the deal is great. I have a 10/22 with a few bells & whistles (Magnum Research barrel, Volquartsen trigger, Zeiss scope), it shoots better than me. Have had ragged .65 inch 10 shot at 50 yds a few times, with any old ammo (it loves Eley match).

The 15-22 is not a tack-driver and only unrealistic people expect it to be one. It's a fun gun plinker. If that doesn't meet your needs, by al means, stay away from it and let others who DO want a fun-gun plinker have it.

FWIW, I see a half-dozen or so every weekend at my range, so some people must be happy with them - me included.

 

[team sidewinder]

What Majorlk said.
Mine will walk a beer/pop can along the ground for 30-40 yards but it is no reliable gopher gun at those ranges. Love the gun and it is fun to shoot but I use a Ruger 10/22 or Remington 541S when I really need to shoot gophers with the min. amount of bullets per gopher. Pretty much never shoot paper.

I did have a Magpul sling loop on the front rail and I would sight the gun in where it was shooting about as good as it would get but after taking it on the atv with the gun over my back it would always be way off when I got to the place where I needed to shoot gophers. I was never sure if cleaning it after the sighting in or the sling straining on the rail loop was throwing my gun off.

It is what it is and I have no problem with that.

 

[Doc Robin]

I bought the 15-22 as a fun gun; been having a lot of fun shooting it.

Mine is in the 3" to 4" group range at 50 yds; I put a 6 X 24 target scope on it and took it to the range to try it out. Tried several boxes of different ammo all gave the same results. Some of that ammo groups 5 shots inside of a dime at 50 yds with my 541T.

Took the scope back off of it so we can get back to having some fun.

Wish it shot tighter groups but it is what it is. Just makes me wonder what kinda of groups the PC version will shoot.

Bill

 

[Ammo dog2311]

I don't remember being told that it was just a " plinker " when I bought it. Could not find the phrase "plinker " in the directions also. Can someone explain what a plinker is. Does it mean that the gun just shoots all over the place ? Or does it mean that you just pull the trigger and hope it hits something, anything in the area of your intended target. I assume that plinking is another term for " I can't shoot so I just pull the trigger and blame the weapon for my bad marksmanship".

I like to hit what I shoot at end of story. One shot one kill. The plinking excuse is getting pretty old. My S&w 500 mag, and my 460 or very accurate guns so I thought S&W would produce a good weapon here. I guess they jumped on the band wagon and made a product to make money and to hell with reputation. Not a smart move for I will have reservations on my next purchase.

I can also roll a beer can down a hill with mine. That's not what I call target practice. I don't like the 10-22 platform so I won't be buying one. There is a very specific reason I bought this weapon. It mimics the m-4 and I like that. I could pull my JP-15 out of the safe and hit anything I can see or grab my ar-15 and do all most the same with that.

I like the weight of the gun, not needing ear pro and shooting very cheep ammo. It's a cheep gun so scrathes or dings from heavy use doesn't bother me the way it would with my other weapons. I like that I can mount toys to it with no problem. It has much potential but it needs to put a round where I want it to go. The question " is it me or the rifle " when you miss your intended target is not what I want to be debating when I am shooting.

I am now lookin at buying a dedicated m-4 platform in .22lr to replace this gun. With a all metal upper I can then change barrels if needed. I would like to hear from members with this system and what they think of there gun. What company made it ? What are your groups like ? Any malfunctions ? How's the trigger ? Magazine reliability ?

It took a shot with the s&w and they failed me.

 

[pghrich]

I love my 15/22 and this is why; once a week me and a friend shoot a 25 target walk around muzzleloader course. We are permitted to use our 22lr rifles, i chose to use my 15/22 and my friend uses either his cz american or his marlin m39, this course has various unmarked yardages some as close as 8 yards and as far as 110 yards. Most are metal targets that swing or gong when hit, a few are playing cards sideways and popcicle sticks. The 15/22 is totally capable of hitting all [when i do my part]. The only target either one of us can't hit is the splitting a bullet on a axe [we have tried but we think this is impossible with a 22caliber bullet]. We always have a ball and i seem to have more fun using my 15/22 than any other 22lr rifle that i own. To me this is why i own and shoot my 15/22 at least 4 days a week. thanks for reading pghrich

 

[Ammo dog2311]

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like a lot of fun. Some of my friends of the 10-22 also but it's not for me. Mite sound funny to some but aesthetics to me is a factor.i just don't like the " feel " of the weapon. I love the m-4 system for some reason maybe because of my time as a marine. It just feels right.

I bought a ptr-91 to test the German system and don't like it. I put a h&k to my shoulder and did not like that either. Not saying there bad I just don't like the feel of the weapon. Have you ever put that bolt back together ?

I just want a m-4 in .22lr that can shoot to the limits of the ammo I am using. Why is this so hard. I mite buy the h&k 416-22 and see what that can do. I have a gsg522 that will out shoot my s&w all day but don't really like the fell of the weapon. My search continues......

 

[wolverine]

I don't remember being told that it was just a " plinker " when I bought it. Could not find the phrase "plinker " in the directions also. Can someone explain what a plinker is. Does it mean that the gun just shoots all over the place ? Or does it mean that you just pull the trigger and hope it hits something, anything in the area of your intended target. I assume that plinking is another term for " I can't shoot so I just pull the trigger and blame the weapon for my bad marksmanship".

I like to hit what I shoot at end of story. One shot one kill. The plinking excuse is getting pretty old. My S&w 500 mag, and my 460 or very accurate guns so I thought S&W would produce a good weapon here. I guess they jumped on the band wagon and made a product to make money and to hell with reputation. Not a smart move for I will have reservations on my next purchase.

I can also roll a beer can down a hill with mine. That's not what I call target practice. I don't like the 10-22 platform so I won't be buying one. There is a very specific reason I bought this weapon. It mimics the m-4 and I like that. I could pull my JP-15 out of the safe and hit anything I can see or grab my ar-15 and do all most the same with that.

I like the weight of the gun, not needing ear pro and shooting very cheep ammo. It's a cheep gun so scrathes or dings from heavy use doesn't bother me the way it would with my other weapons. I like that I can mount toys to it with no problem. It has much potential but it needs to put a round where I want it to go. The question " is it me or the rifle " when you miss your intended target is not what I want to be debating when I am shooting.

I am now lookin at buying a dedicated m-4 platform in .22lr to replace this gun. With a all metal upper I can then change barrels if needed. I would like to hear from members with this system and what they think of there gun. What company made it ? What are your groups like ? Any malfunctions ? How's the trigger ? Magazine reliability ?

It took a shot with the s&w and they failed me.

Afternoon Ammo dog2311


I (obviously) have the 15-22 & like you think a $500.00+ Smith & Wesson should do more than plink. Or more tactfully put NOT MISS a 2" target at 50 yards.

I guess if I buy a power saw I expect it to cut a straight line & if I buy a modern $500.00+ firearm I expect it to shoot to POA @ 50 yards.

I also have a 10-22 in a Nordic chassis. This gun is a decent shooter as long as it isn't too windy out. This gun has about the accuracy I expect & require for the type of practice I do. Problem is it doesn't have the same controls & control placement to use for a substitute practice gun for my M-4's or AR-15's. It's fun to shoot but not a good practice piece as the controls are too different to do malfunction drills or weak side drills or even weak side one hand mag changes.

My other .22 semi auto is a CMMG M-4 clone that shoots just decent enough to practice with. I didn't get the true forward assist but added an F/A M-4 button & spring so I can simulate seating a partially stuck bolt. It also didn't have true last shot bolt hold open so I couldn't just slam another mag in & hit the bolt drop lever. (CMMG offers the last shot hold open but it is a complicated affair so I chose not to get it). I did add a 3rd party bolt hold open lever & it works great but that eliminates using the lower on my other M-4/AR-15 uppers.
This gun is REAL close to being what I need for M-4/ AR-15 practice & will do decent head shots at 50 & 75 yards. One of my practice scenarios is shooting a hand gun from a perp that is holding a hostage at 50 yards.
The CMMG is just accurate enough to pull that off where as my S&W 15-22 won't without a 50%-75% chance of not hitting the hand gun center mass.

Supposedly CMMG has a new barrel manufacturing process to a more accurate barrel so I'm thinking of investing in a barrel update at some time in the future.
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/images/1639-2651.jpg

 

[team sidewinder]

I don't remember being told that it was just a " plinker " when I bought it. Could not find the phrase "plinker " in the directions also. Can someone explain what a plinker is. Does it mean that the gun just shoots all over the place ? Or does it mean that you just pull the trigger and hope it hits something, anything in the area of your intended target. I assume that plinking is another term for " I can't shoot so I just pull the trigger and blame the weapon for my bad marksmanship".

I like to hit what I shoot at end of story. One shot one kill. The plinking excuse is getting pretty old. My S&w 500 mag, and my 460 or very accurate guns so I thought S&W would produce a good weapon here. I guess they jumped on the band wagon and made a product to make money and to hell with reputation. Not a smart move for I will have reservations on my next purchase.

I can also roll a beer can down a hill with mine. That's not what I call target practice. I don't like the 10-22 platform so I won't be buying one. There is a very specific reason I bought this weapon. It mimics the m-4 and I like that. I could pull my JP-15 out of the safe and hit anything I can see or grab my ar-15 and do all most the same with that.

I like the weight of the gun, not needing ear pro and shooting very cheep ammo. It's a cheep gun so scrathes or dings from heavy use doesn't bother me the way it would with my other weapons. I like that I can mount toys to it with no problem. It has much potential but it needs to put a round where I want it to go. The question " is it me or the rifle " when you miss your intended target is not what I want to be debating when I am shooting.

I am now lookin at buying a dedicated m-4 platform in .22lr to replace this gun. With a all metal upper I can then change barrels if needed. I would like to hear from members with this system and what they think of there gun. What company made it ? What are your groups like ? Any malfunctions ? How's the trigger ? Magazine reliability ?

It took a shot with the s&w and they failed me.

I can roll a beer can down a hill without using my 15-22 and I didn't say it was target practice but just fun.

 

[true_shooter]

trophies to prove your shooting ability, Laughable. why is it anybodies burden to prove to you how well they shoot. If you don't believe them get over it, they're not trying to take away your birthday. Not to sound brash but for those shooting 4 inch groups at 50 yards and are blaming the rifle, maybe its the shooter.

 

[Slapps74]

Mine will do it as well. 2" group at 50 yards. I am shooting mini mags. Scoped also.

 

[photoracer]

Hello, i honestly think a new barrel could only improve the accuracy to a point that the cost could not be justified, many other things come into play for accuracy, a good barrel is just one of them, and a semi auto is handicapped from the getgo, besides according to s&w the barrels are already match grade.pghrich

Only the PC model barrel is match grade and has a match chamber. The regular models don't have that 18" barrel. That is not to say the barrel is bad, just a more common type like a sporter barrel.
Supposedly Jerry's exhibition AR15-22 had a custom Lother Walther barrel on it for awhile but in some of the latest Impossible Shots shows I notice that it looks like the stock barrel is back on it. Maybe he got some flack over that.

 

[true_shooter]

Only the PC model barrel is match grade and has a match chamber. The regular models don't have that 18" barrel. That is not to say the barrel is bad, just a more common type like a sporter barrel.
Supposedly Jerry's exhibition AR15-22 had a custom Lother Walther barrel on it for awhile but in some of the latest Impossible Shots shows I notice that it looks like the stock barrel is back on it. Maybe he got some flack over that.

M&P15-22<br>.22 LR - Smith & Wesson

top portion of the page read number 10.

but even though it says "match grade" I personally dont believe that any mass production rifle has a "match grade" barrel. that and their isn't really a definition for "match grade" if you do research into top quality barrel makers the price of the barrel is just as much if not more than the mp15-22 and close to the price of the PC model

 

[Ammo dog2311]

Hey wolverine, did you look at gettin the h&k 416-22 ??? I think I mite just get it. It's German made so it should shoot well. Have you seen one on the range yet ?

I put the s&w in the safe for now. I took the JP and the AR to the range today. Had the place to my self. Shot 150. Rds in an hour. That was what I needed. The time spent with the s&w over the winter was a big help. Kept me on target.

 

[Ammo dog2311]

I was wondering if I could turn mine into a pc that was the idea from the beginning. If the upper and lower are the same then swop out the barrel and I am gold... Think I am goin German now....H&K

 

[ragingyeti]

The H&K is not made by H&K last I checked, it is another Umarex wonder. H&K just licenses the look to them. Just a head's up that the quality will not be as good. Many have posted what the Colt Umarex M4 is like in this forum, I imagine the 416-22 will be much the same.

 

[Majorlk]

The Colt and The HK are essentially identical internally - a lousy excuse for a firearm. They are better suited as paintball guns.

 

[Ammo dog2311]

Do they use a lothar walther barrel on the 416-22.

 

[Majorlk]

Do they use a lothar walther barrel on the 416-22.

Not that I am aware of. It's a rifled tube inside another tube from what I have seen.

 

[OliRage]

Does anyone know if we will be able to buy replacement threaded barrels? id like to have one