Pearl Harbor? Really?!

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Somewhat off topic but I had to post this somewhere where I'd get intelligent comments.


I attended the funeral of one my father's younger brothers today, my Uncle Walter (one of seven children, five boys & two girls). Ninety years old, never married, lived in my grandparent's home (having taken care of not only my grandparents, but my grandmother's brother, my great-uncle Stanley).

Very smart man, electrical technician, worked at Fort Meade for decades, grew his own vegetables and herbs, cooked and baked like a professional, could fix almost any radio or TV, always provided thoughtful and intelligent advice to all of us nephews and nieces; a real renaissance man.

Anyway, my father and all his brothers (second generation Polish-Americans) were in the military, all but the youngest serving during WWII.

Like much of that generation, my father almost never talked about his service during the war. Oh, I knew he'd been a Sgt. I knew he'd been in the Army (in the Cavalry when they still had horses, the memory of which probably finally convinced my father to tell me his story when I showed him a photo of Army Rangers on horseback in Afghanistan after 9/11). He had been in the Army for a couple years before we declared war, then had his term extended for the duration of the war. I knew he'd been in New Guinea and the Philippines.

It wasn't until about two years before my dad died (in October, 2005) that he told how he had been on board a transport ship (with hundreds of others) off the coast of South America for weeks waiting to go to the Philippines. Waiting, as it turns out, to become part of the Battle of Leyte Gulf!!

I was flabbergasted! Here was a man I'd known my entire life, and he never thought it any big deal that he had been involved in the largest air and sea battle in the history of this planet! He ended up establishing a radio communications setup on some hillside along the San Juanico Strait.

Well, this morning, during the funeral service for my Uncle Walter, I find out from one of my cousins who had looked in on my uncle the last couple of years as his health started to fail, that my Uncle Walter, the smart, good looking guy who I always saw at Christmas and Thanksgiving dinners with his homemade bread and pleasant smile, had been at Pear Harbor!!

I know this might be from trying to forget what they were involved in, or that they were, as a group, apparently very humble guys, but I'm just amazed that someone could be involved in something as historic and heroic as Pearl Harbor and Leyte Gulf and never want to brag about it just a little bit. Or at least let your family know you were there.

I'm just stunned by my father's and uncle's humility at having been involved in something really heroic.

God rest their souls.

--Jay
 
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Reno, what division was your father in. Mine was in the 41st Div, Idaho National Guard which was a Cav Unit (my father called it the Mule Army) until they took their horse just before they were deployed.

The were sent over seas to reinfore the Philippines but the Philippines fell before they got there and they were deverted to New Zeland then to New Guinea.
 
To the men of that generation, serving their country in time of need was just something they did, like going to church on Sundays. Nobody thought to brag about it as it wasn't a big deal to them.

You might be able to find ships logs online if you know the movement dates and ship names. A lot of this info is being released and posted.

The following is from a Christmas Eve mission my Father flew when he was 20 years old. Not his plane, but the Mission summery is written by a crewmember in one of the other 60 B-24s in his Bomb Group that day:

Targets Ruwer Germany Bridges & Tunnels
UMS
12/24/44
Today was a great day in the history of this Group. It's the day before Christmas and our ground troops must have immediate air support to halt the surprise drive of the enemy. The greatest number of aircraft in the history of the Group to take off on one mission got off today.

Sixty-one (61) were airborne, 16 were 67th and 59 of those dispatched hit railroad bridges and tunnels at Ruwer, Dfalzel, Wittlich and Eller.

The Group furnished three squadrons flying high right on the 491st BG, and four additional Gee-H aircraft as leaders for other Groups. 66th's Capt. McDonnell led the 392nd B Group and bombed target #2 - Pfalzel; bombing was excellent. Four 44th A/C bombed with him.

66th's Capt. Williams in 594 led the 491st D Group on target #3, Wittlich, with fair results. 12 44th A/C bombed the same target. 67th's Lt. Brownlowe flew deputy lead for the 392nd; Capt. Orthman led the high right squadron in the 491st formation. 67th's Lt. Pellow led the high right squadron of the 392nd.

Lt. Spencer was forced to return early due to engine failure, being one of the two aircraft that did not bomb. All other attacked their assigned targets and results were generally excellent, although the 44th lead squadron's results were fair to good. The other A/C not attacking was the Division leader, flying with the 392nd.

Fighter support was very good. Damages by flak to our ships was generally light - and no losses. Lt. Ray Parshall added that his ship dropped 6 x 1000 lb demos on road and railroads near Bo'llendorf. S/Sgt. Chaffin adds: "There were about 2,000 aircraft - bombers - in the sky, escorted by nearly 900 fighters. We carried a bomb load of 42 x 100 lb GPs and bombed the yards at Wittlich. The day was very clear and the target could easily be seen, and was bombed visually. We really did hit the target today. We passed several targets other Groups had hit and they were covered with smoke.

Flak was moderate and accurate. Nevertheless, there was no losses. We flew K, a ship with the field's record of 67, now 68, mission's with out an abortion. (Crew Chief, T/Sgt. Frank Chowanski) Lt. Struthers, also 67th, flew A/C I #193 and ran short of fuel over Belgium and had to land at Danean, France.

Lt. Struthers adds: After take-off we knew we did not have enough gasoline to complete the mission. (Later) I radioed the lead plane and was told to use my own discretion. We decided to continue the mission; and after dropping our bombs, used this excuse to go to Paris to refuel and spend the night there. During the mission we had P-51s, P-47s and P-38s escorting.

The glass tubes in our B-24 which shows fuel levels were always drained while over enemy territory. So, after leaving the target Sgt. Harry McDonald, our engineer checked the levels and reported we were almost out of fuel .... We were letting down slowly with power pulled back when at a few thousand feet we spotted an air strip ahead and below. I flew to the right of it, made 180 left and came into the single strip runway, heading east. I misjudged and we came in too high to get down, so I made a 360 to the left. I did not think we would make it around because our fuel was so low, and I kept watching the plowed fields below, thinking we might have to belly in. We did make it, though, #2 engine cutting out in the turn, another on the final and a third while landing. At the end of our roll-out only #4 engine was still running.

Lloyd had feathered one prop ..... McDonald fueled our plane with 700 to 800 gallons ..... Some other soldiers asked to ride back to England with us, including a crew from the 466th, and our radio operator said there was a B-17 crew as well. I told them all what part of the plane to get in, first loading the rear until the B-24 rocked back onto its tail skid, then loaded in the nose until it rocked back onto the nose wheel, so as to balance the plane. We took off heading west at sunset. I could only see part way down the runway because of the haze and the sun on the horizon. Because of the light gas load we got off quickly and flew back to our base.

When we got back our passengers got out and disappeared into the dark."


I never saw or heard any of this kind of detail from my Dad when he was still alive. I now have a mission summery from all of the missions he flew, along with the mens names on each aircraft he flew.

What that generation did is truly awe inspiring.
 
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God bless your uncle Walter he was a true American hero. I wish I could have known him and shook his hand. I feel I owe a lot to those guy's. Don
 
Not many left around from that generation of unsung "Heroes".
God Bless every one of them.
My father who was a 20 year Marine passed in Feb. 2010
and he served in VietNam, and was stationed in Okinawa
and Japan also but he also never talked of his times overseas.
I was curious of course but never asked him about his tour
in VietNam. I figured if he wanted to keep it to himself he had
earned that right. It's probably something you'd only want to talk
about with others who had been there as they would be the only
ones who could truly understand the things he witnessed.


chuck
 
My late father-in-law was a 17 year old kid at Schofield Barracks when the bombs fell, and fought his way through the Pacific Theater, including Guadacanal and other of the Solomon Islands, until the end of the war. He died in 2000 of lung cancer...


My uncle Walter was a kid from North Carolina and was drafted into an Ohio NG unit, and found himself in the Pacific Theater, too. He took part in 16 island invasions with a scratch before being wounded by friendly fire in the Philippines. A couple of tough *******s, one of whom is dying from Alzheimer's disease now..
 
I've met some fine vets from the latest adventure, and their
attitude about discussing it is quite like all the other vets I've known.
Apparently, it's something so hugely different from events
back in the "world", that they don't/can't express it. JMHO, TACC1.
 
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Reno, what division was your father in. Mine was in the 41st Div, Idaho National Guard which was a Cav Unit (my father called it the Mule Army) until they took their horse just before they were deployed.

The were sent over seas to reinfore the Philippines but the Philippines fell before they got there and they were deverted to New Zeland then to New Guinea.

I don't know what division he was in, but I intend to find out.

He was also in New Guinea for a time, but I don't know the time frame or the reason.
 
In a pastoral appointment (1990-1994), several members of my church were WWII veterans. The pastor came over after the war from Britain. During the war he served with the RAF. Not surprisingly he was involved in the Battle of Britain. He had many photos he took from his plane. After the war he was sent to La Scala, Italy. After he left the service, he came over to America with his sister. One flew B-24's with the 8th Air Force. He married the sister of the retired pastor. He spoke at our church's celebration of the 50th anniversary of D-Day. One was a U.S. Army veteran of the European theater. He was awarded the Silver Star for his actions in the Hurtgen Forest. One was a veteran of the Pearl Harbor. This gentleman went on to serve on staff in Washington. One was a "China Marine." He was sent from China to the Philippines. He along with a number of other men in his group were captured in the hills as they didn't want to surrender. He survived the war. On his wall was a picture of him in post war Japan where he served. Very seldom did they talk about their experiences in that war. When they did, I listened closely. I thought the world of these men. I still do.
 
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My father never talked much about his service. He also was in New Guinea and Luzon. He's 88 and has talked some about it the last couple of years. Though he was in the Army, he spent a lot of time aboard LST's. Several years ago a restored LST docked here. I took him for a tour. I could see that it took him back to when he was a young soldier. He told some stories then. My mother's brothers fought in WWII also. One was a tank driver and was severely wounded in combat and 100% disabled. He never spoke of his service. Most combat vets I know or knew don't talk about it. The ones that brag are mostly posers.

The other day, one of my wife's cousins told me that his father (a German immigrant to the U.S.), whom I had always respected to the utmost, helped his best friend write a letter to get out of being drafted. It worked and the friend avoided military service, but got an "alternative service" job. He ended up retiring with the same outfit. Even though it has been over 40 years ago, it really took the wind out of my sails. My wife then found out later in the day that her cousin also was being coached by the uncle for conscientious objector status before they found out that he was medically unfit.
 
I didn't get to Pearl Harbor until late 1944 but my ship, USS Enterprise (CV(N)-6) was there occasionally and not far away on Dec. 7, 1941. It's phenomenal history can be read at USS Enterprise CV-6. My job was secret and stayed so for the next forty years, so I didn't have much to say. While I was aboard I flew nine combat missions over Iwo and Okinawa as a mission specialist attached to VT(N)-90. No, we don't talk much about it, youngsters don't understand and some don't believe we could do those things. Our country was very different then.
 
My grandpa on my dad's side of the family served in the u.s. army during world war 2 in the pacific theatre fought in the phillipines when we were retaking it from the japanese he also served as part of the army occupation forces in Japan and when he returned from the war he suffered with what is now know as PTSD until his death on September 12th 1978from a massive heart attack at the age of 55. I came along in June of 1985.

I also had a great uncle who served in europe and participated in the D-day invasion with the combat engineers and he also fought in the battle of the bulge and was awarded a bronze and silver star.
 
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My father was RCAF and later USAAC. He would speak of his time in the service while in training. The plane crash that got him a medical discharge out of the RCAF; basic training and when he was stationed in the United States once he'd come to this country to enlist in the Air Corps. I never, not once, heard him talk about time deployed overseas. When as a boy I asked him about it he'd change the subject. I do know his MOS in the Air Corps was meteorology - he'd probably have been the guy the pilots cursed when reality didn't match the briefing.

I tried to find out more through Army records after he passed, but apparently there was a fire(?) and his records were among those destroyed.

Whatever his contribution, he did his part no matter that it may not have been a combat part. He was just a tooth on a great big gear, but the gear doesn't turn if it's missing a tooth.
 
My Dad was at Pearl when the Japs hit! He fought in the Pacific !
He passed yrs ago & I just got to read letters he sent to my Mom.He had really been everywhere! Have another relative that had been on the BATAAN DEATH MARCH & survived! Young people have never even heard of it,you have no idea how bad it was.He never would sleep on a bed...just a mat he put in a corner,he would talk ...at times about it....not loud or long....he was never quite right....
Jim
 
Reno, what division was your father in. Mine was in the 41st Div, Idaho National Guard which was a Cav Unit (my father called it the Mule Army) until they took their horse just before they were deployed.

The were sent over seas to reinfore the Philippines but the Philippines fell before they got there and they were deverted to New Zeland then to New Guinea.

The 41st Inf. Div. (Sunset Div.) Was a Oregon NG unit. Actualy still is, only now it's been reduced to Brigade size.

It may have contained some "round out" Idaho units, before/during WWll
 
Real hero's never blow their own horn.

So true. And a lot of then are especially reticent to talk about their experiences with anyone whom they feel can not relate. My uncle passed away in January of this year. He had been a member of the 503rd Parachute Infantry Regiment (in New Guinea and the Philippines in World War II) and of an outfit called Combined Command Reconnaissance Activity, Korea ("CCRAK") during Truman's "police action". I realized at his funeral that he had spoken to me of his "adventures" far more than he had his own sons and grandsons. I have to wonder if it was because I was the only fellow veteran in the family.
 
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