stavman11
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WELL SAID!!!!
and the DATA to back it up
NICE!!!
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and the DATA to back it up
NICE!!!
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S&W vs Colt
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Watching the British automotive show TOP GEAR, I saw that you CAN make a Toyota pickup in to a "boat"
Much in the same way that you CAN get a slidefire stock to work on the MP 1522.
With enough time and money you CAN get anything to work. The point is Toyota never ment for their trucks to work as a boat.
Im sure your pickin' up what Im layin' down. It pains me to say it because so many have already spent so much. I take heat for saying anything negative, and I understand
BTW... Southern Illinois "I never post". Where about in Ill
Much in the same way that you CAN get a slidefire stock to work on the MP 1522.
With enough time and money you CAN get anything to work. The point is Toyota never ment for their trucks to work as a boat.
Im sure your pickin' up what Im layin' down. It pains me to say it because so many have already spent so much. I take heat for saying anything negative, and I understand
BTW... Southern Illinois "I never post". Where about in Ill
justherenow
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I had one of these Colts for a day. Never fired it and returned it and got the M&P. The sales guy led me to believe the Colt was a better product and when I came home I was excited to have it. Then, the next day before going to the range, the safety pin came out, I was able to get it back in but it would not go out of safe mode and the shop could not figure it out which was why I returned it, plus not being able to buy standard AR stuff for it made me a bit mad about buying it as the sales guy told me anything AR would fit. All in all I am happy with my 15-22.
I also owned the Colt M4 for just one day. It was a display model (last one) at a local sportsmans store, and I was concerned that it had been "handled" a lot. Normally this chain does not allow firearm returns, but since I argued and tried to beat them up on the price, which they wouldn't do, the boy told me (and I got it in writing) that if there was anything wrong with it, I could return it for a full refund. I got it home, loaded up a mag, worked the action to charge the round. Removed the clip and tried to open the action to remove the live round. Guess what?...it didn't come out. The ejecter was jacked up, likely from being "handled" in the store, but if it can't stand up to store handling, it likely wouldn't have stood up to my use. I took it back, got my refund, and bought the M&P 15-22 and never looked back. Since then, I've learned about the pencil barrel and all the proprietary parts on the Colt. It looks nice, and it's heavy...but that's it. Glad I have the S&W. I've put almost 1500 rounds thru mine, and love it. I normally do not try to recommend or not recommend any particular product...but really, Colt (Umarex) tried to do a good job to make an imitation AR-15, which they did a fine job as far as looks go. If you are after a wall hanger, get the Colt. If you want one to shoot...get the M&P15-22!
I say go Colt for 5.56 and M&P15-22 for 22LR. 2 M&P15-22 here, both of which run nearly 100%. Very pleasantly surprised with the performance. Formerly, I normally would have selected one of several 10/22 to hunt paper or gophers with. I find myself going to the M&P15-22 more often than not now.
No experience with the Colt/Umarex but all signs point to no way.
No experience with the Colt/Umarex but all signs point to no way.
JaPes
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Hey! That guy just copied and pasted my post without giving me reference!
Oh wait... a few posts down I get mentioned... cool..
is that you Basic?
Oh wait... a few posts down I get mentioned... cool..
is that you Basic?
Yes Sir. I hope thats ok. I did mention you but did not want to link our site.
Kayback
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I'm SO glad I came across your posts on another website. I had the exact same decision to make with the drawback of being able to get the Umarex NOW, and having an indeterminable delay on the S&W.
Then I found your post and canned the idea of the Umarex. I found the last S&W on the last shipment of them to my country. Maybe we will see more later, but for now this is it.
The price difference between the Umarex and the S&W meant I can get the S&W and THREE THOUSAND rounds of .22 for the price of the Umarex.
KBK
JaPes
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Them's fighting words!
Good lord for those who don't understand sarcasm, I'm only joking. AR15 preferences spark the most insane forum arguments.
Exactly right brother.
If I get to someone before they've made the choice of Umarex Colt M4 .22lr v.s. any other gun, then I'll share my story. I don't care if they buy a 15-22. All I care about is that a fellow firearms enthusiast doesn't get saddled with a piece-o-poop Umarex Colt M4 or Umarex HK 416.
If I get to someone after they've made the choice to buy a Umarex Colt M4 .22lr or Umarex HK 416, then there's no point in telling them that it's poop. I just wish them luck and hope that by some miracle of luck they got a good one. If they happened to get a bad one, they'll learn the hard way and come around.
rraisley
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I wish you well with the S&W. Unfortunately, thus far I have had the opposite experience. In approximately 1500 rounds, I have had approximately 70-80 failures to eject, a number of failures to feed (probably my fault) and almost one firing out of battery which would no doubt have hurt my buddy, who during the same time has put about 3,000 rounds through his Umarex/Colt, has had maybe a dozen light strikes during the first few mags worth, with the rest running fine. And his new Umarex/H&K MP5 has run its first 1,500 rounds with nary a single problem of any kind. Right now I wish /I/ were the one shooting the Umarex rather than the S&W.
I hope this (my S&W 15-22 operation) will get better (I've made one more change/adjustment to my ejector, and if that fails will be sending the gun back to S&W).
I hope this (my S&W 15-22 operation) will get better (I've made one more change/adjustment to my ejector, and if that fails will be sending the gun back to S&W).
JaPes
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It's all good.
I read the thread. Even though we here know the 15-22 is superior to the Umarex (no bias here in the 15-22 sub forum whatsoever
), it does no good to point it out to those who made the choice to buy a Umarex Colt or HK. It just gets them butt hurt.Now that I think about it, Umarex is kind of funny. It's a reverse quality control paradigm. The expectation is that their rifles are normally junk, and that a good one might slip through every once in a while.
JaPes
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Dude. The S&W 15-22 comes with a 1 year warranty & limited lifetime service warranty. IMO, you've done everything prudent to address the issue yourself. It's time to send it back to the S&W mothership, and get them to make it right. Let S&W address the issue.
If there is some overall manufacturing defect in your 15-22's upper, I'm sure S&W will replace it.
Regarding your friend's Umarex Colt M4. I am sincerely glad he lucked into a good one (so far knock on wood).
JaPes
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You're welcome my friend. What country are you from?
rraisley
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That will probably be next. But when the fellow at S&W service told me on the phone that I shouldn't expect better performance than the 17 FTE's I just got with 450 rounds of firing ("It's only a .22, after all!"), I got a little (okay, a lot) turned off.
I thought perhaps I'd snagged the ejector on my bore snake the first time I cleaned it, before shooting, and bent it, so today bent it down until it just grazed the bolt during operation, then brought it back up until it just clears. I'm hoping this is a better (and more correct) location (it was moved about 0.035"). But after doing this, I'm actually quite certain there was no way I did this by accident when cleaning; it's a tough little bugger to bend!
VectorSix
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X2 i really like my 15-22
It is much better than this ^. Send it in.
JaPes
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That does tick me off. Don't judge S&W customer service by just one representative. If I feel that I'm not being taken seriously, I politely ask for the current service representative's full name and extension. I then politely ask for the level 2 representative, their name and contact info.
Again, every step of the way I try to be polite but firm.
If I get nowhere with a call, I'll send a polite e-mail with the names of the customer service individuals I talked to.
I hear ya. Because I wasn't paying attention, I almost snagged my ejector with the little loop at the end of the Boresnake.
When you do talk to S&W again let us know how it went. If you encounter a particularly unhelpful representative, let us know their name. I know it won't help you in the moment, but help the rest of us who might call.
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