CO movie theater shooting

[10ring]

Deranged and evil people will always do deranged and evil things and there is nothing we can do to stop it, short of creating a society none of us would want to live in. Is this guy deranged or is he evil? I don't know. I would guess deranged or perhaps a bit of both, but it doesn't really matter.

Remember Charles Whitman in the 60's? As I recall he did about the same damage with a bolt rifle and some other stuff. Remember McVeigh and Nichols in Oklahoma? They used fertilizer and fuel and killed many more. In the 1920's some guy in Michigan killed something like 40 school kids with dynamite.

Just because the anti-gun people are going to go all nuts and try to use this to their advantage (before the blood is dry) does not mean we should go nuts too.

Was this a government conspiracy? Oh, Please! Don't jump on the crazy train. Some guy did a terrible thing. To compound this, now some people will try to capitalize on the event to make money, garner fame or advance a personal or political goal.

We have seen it before. We will see it again.

By the way, while I oppose the "no gun" policies of the movie theater chains, I have to think in this case, with tear gas or some other chemical in the air, a panicked crowd and a shooter in ballistic gear, there is not much a lawfully armed citizen could have done unless they were in just the right spot with a suitable gun and better than average ability to keep steady in a stressful situation.

 

[Mustang5L5]

newsmedia says that rifle used was a S&W with drum magazine.
any truth to this reporting?

I've seen this is a few articles now. Unsure of true.

I'd bet it was an M&P15 sport...a rifle I own myself.


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[feralmerril]

They tell me he used a AR-15, a remington 870, a glock 40 inside and a extra glock 40 was found in his car. Can a s&w drum magazine fit in a AR? I know nothing about those swat tactical type guns. In all reports there hasnt been anything said about a s&w gun EXCEPT the magazine?
I see now the police have got in the apartment. It will be interesting to see what they find.

 

[jaykellogg]

By the way, while I oppose the "no gun" policies of the movie theater chains, I have to think in this case, with tear gas or some other chemical in the air, a panicked crowd and a shooter in ballistic gear, there is not much a lawfully armed citizen could have done unless they were in just the right spot with a suitable gun and better than average ability to keep steady in a stressful situation.

He had a full suit of balistic armor on. Stopping him would have taken a miracle. The cops that arrested him were lucky he gave up.

There is some connection in his mind with the Batman movie. It may not make sense to me or you, but that is why he chose to kill in this theater. The way he was equipped it seems to me he could have done a lot more damage. This is the worst shooting in the USA due to the number of casualties, but only 12 (so far and pray no more) fatalities.

 

[jag312]

I read that Mayor Bloomberg is already dancing in the blood and calling for more restrictions on the ownership of firearms. What do you expect?

 

[Jst1mr]

A tragedy for sure. Please consider that the rifle was apparently a S&W M&P. There will be considerable digging into this loon's background in an attempt to see what makes him tick. I do not think it a stretch to consider that a site like this will be scrutinized to see if he might have lurked here. I would suggest to use some discretion in your comments....and I don't think I have a foil hat issue...

 

[A10]

I understand your concern Jst1mr, but honestly if people want to mine gun forums for whackjob statements, this is the least likely place for them to find anything.

My prayers go out to all those affected by this tragic situation. I am a little surprised we have not seen interviews with his family yet. One of the early reports stated that his mother had completely believed her son had done it, though as with all the other reports it could be this was stated too early and had not been properly vetted.

 

[opaul]

This will be used as fodder for all the anti-gun groups unfortunately. Don't forget what the now Mayor of Chicago has said.........don't ever let a tragedy go to waste........in other words - use it to further your personal or political agenda............I'm sure we'll be hearing much much more before this sad event is over.

 

[cmort666]

I also fear that the gun control folks, who know absolutely nothing about firearms, will come out of the woodwork.

They're never IN the woodwork.

The idea of people not HAVING to be helpless victims sends them into an insane rage.

Between the media doting on every mass murderer and the victims almost always being in "gun free" (free fire, actually) zones, they're getting exactly what they want. They need blood and bodies to push their agenda of enforced victimization and a government (THEIR government) monopoly on the means of armed force.

 

[cmort666]

Between Alabama and this...the right circumstances are beginning to line up. If I were being paid to make a recommendation to folks it would be to get in front of this and begin the conversation of a sound solution to gun violence and quit with the "guns don't kill people, people do" trope.

I'm seeing statements like the above in other forums.

It's just the same AHSA false flag propaganda they peddled here and elsewhere until their funding from the anti-gun groups collapsed.

Unless you're willing to BAN almost ALL firearms from general citizen ownership, you're NEVER going to "get in front of this". That is the goal. You either capitulate to it or stand and fight. Capitulation is obviously your preference.

There is no more chance of gun owners "compromising" with anti-gunners than there was of Jews compromising with Adolf Eichmann. One side's goals are absolute and immutable. The destination is set in stone, only the path and the timetable are subject to temporary alteration.

ANY new gun control?

Not no, HELL NO.

 

[cmort666]

Personally I'm a believer in that part of the problem is due to the glorification of violence on TV, in the movies, in literature (specifically books and graphic comic books), and in 1st person shooter video games.

Yeah, it's "glorification of violence", but not in the way you think.

The Bible is full of violence as are Shakespeare, Mickey Spillane, "Scarface" and "The Sands of Iwo Jima".

The reason why THIS type of violence is happening THIS frequently today is that it's being GLORIFIED by the news media.

EVERY one of these mass murderers has been a malignant narcissist, craving attention. EVERY time it happens, the media showers the perpetrator with attention, and indeed SYMPATHY, inevitably seeking some "excuse" for his crimes.

Do you think that the OTHER attention craving subhuman beasts don't see this and draw the appropriate conclusions about how to get noticed?

Crazy != stupid. The media is training them to kill just like Michael Vick taught pit bulls to kill.

I GUARANTEE you that the next mass killer is literally GLUED to his TV, and furiously scribbling notes... if he's not DVRing the news and playing it over, and over, and over...

 

[MrAmbassador]

It's been written and said before but bears repeating.

There are no massacres at shooting ranges.

Does the no carry on the premise also apply to LEO?

 

[Ray]

A generation brought up with minimal if any parenting, rejecting God while placing their main emphasis on material goods, while the government and media teach us to hate each other, and this is what we are going to end up with.

I agree with that.
Something has indeed happened since the 60´s when there were lots of guns and almost no restrictive laws. I think the commies have a lot to do with that.
About that time, a bunch of thinkers came from Germany to teach in US universities.They were later refered to as members of the Frankfurt School - Theodor Adorno was one of them.They were marxists, but their strategy, as oposed to the traditional marxist view, was centered on the cultural aspects, hence Cultural Marxism.
Their objective was to destroy our civilization as we know, degrading and defacing it.
I´m not an American but in Brazil it was the same, as their followers spreaded all over the world.
They created by their efforts a situation inside a human being and society where all that is good - the presence of God, respect to elders and parents is substituted by its very opposite: disrespect for God , disregard for life and all that´s sacred.
No wonder that in this mental make up the taking of life is so easy.Obviously guns have nothing to do with this sort of thing.Only in the head of the leftists. But here we have a problem: they are themselves a by product of the cultural marxist teachings that caused all that and can´t blame themselves for their cumplicity, so they have to find a culprit, and guess what? We the law abiding gun owners and guns.
Regards, Ray

 

[JcMack]

Just a comment: Since the 1st of the year there's been well over 200 shot and killed in Chicago. Deaths are up 50% over last year. Probably 2-3 times that number wounded. On Memorial WE there were 40 shootings and 12 killed. June 9th WE there were 30 shot 10 dead. These are just "highlights". There is not a day that goes by without at least 6 shootings and 2 -3 deaths. Kids as young as 2 have been killed. Gangs have moved to AK's.
I was really not shocked by the recent theater shootings. There's way to many of the wrong people with guns out there. There's way too many "assault weapons" out there. Any thoughts on how to fix this problem?

 

[Backlighting]

With nothing positive to run on, the Left will use this incident & cry out for stricter gun control, all in the name of the "public good" And the "public" is everyone but you.

 

[jaykellogg]

Chicago has about 2 murders per day (all types, not just guns). In a week about as many people are killed in Chicago as were slain in Aurora.
I have an idea, ban guns in Chicago!

 

[ladder13]

They're never IN the woodwork.

The idea of people not HAVING to be helpless victims sends them into an insane rage.

Between the media doting on every mass murderer and the victims almost always being in "gun free" (free fire, actually) zones, they're getting exactly what they want. They need blood and bodies to push their agenda of enforced victimization and a government (THEIR government) monopoly on the means of armed force.

EXACTLY, which is why that mayor of NYC was pushing his agenda before the gunsmoke cleared the theater.

 

[Backlighting]

Chicago has about 2 murders per day (all types, not just guns). In a week about as many people are killed in Chicago as were slain in Aurora.
I have an idea, ban guns in Chicago!

How about annexing Chicago from the U.S.?

 

[LouisianaJoe]

If the exit had an alarm on it, this may have been prevented. I believe that we will start to see more requirements for alarms and video cameras. For the cameras to work, someone has to be looking at them.

 

[Chuck1217]

I saw the mention of marxism above, and the German influence. We don't need to go foreign to find that inflluence. Look up Bill Ayers (more communist than marxist) and Sol Alinsky, socialist/marxist. They wrote essyas, even books, saying this and I paraphrase: Our goal is to get as many people on welfare-type programs as possible. This will eventually break our country financially. Since our organizations are already so well formed- meaning unions of all kinds, college/university groups- etc- when the govt is forced to reduce and even stop all those payments, riots will occur all over the country. With our organizations, it will be almost simple to overtake the govt. We will be socialist/fascist/marxist once and for all.
Now, add Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed communist, and you have three of our president's most influential mentors.
If there are any liberals out there that want 'show me a link' I'll tell you now, the answer is no. YOU go prove I'm wrong. There's plentyof stuff easily found on the web that shows exactly what I said. Just read what those 3 guys said, that'll do it.
Now, add those mentors to our president's actions the last 42 months- appointing Van JOnes a communist, the woman who said 'I admire Mao', the multiple other associates with marxist/commnst views/records....
I am intent on stock-piling ammo. I'm not spending every dime, but buying an extra box here and there.
As for the welfare thing- how amny presidents have you seen running taxpayer-funded advertisements on TV, radio, papers, ASKING more and more people to sign up for food stamps. Even in Spanish. And now we will have what- 20+million on govt healthcare? You do the math.
Sorry, back to the OP- I heard they finally cleared the terrorist's apartment of all the booby-traps.