Its your duty to concealed carry (aurora theater shooting)

[Nedroe]

I'm in the camp ...

with Evil One & RevTracy, one shot would've made a huge difference. This guy was a coward. He was reasonably sure no one would be armed, so he blazed away. When confronted by LE he immediately drops his weapon & surenders, is my understanding. Even if he's wearin' a Kevlar face plate, if he takes a round to it, he's gonna stagger, probably turn to escape.

My personal carry gun, summer/winter, everywhere I go, even at home, is a Colt 1911, Officer's Model slide & barrel, on a regular length grip frame,cocked & locked, fitted with Crimson Trace Wraparound grips.

I'm gonna win in a low light/ no light scenario. Woe unto you if you do not have your CCW outfitted with a laser. If I was within 60 feet of his entrance I would have engaged without question. If I was way in back, I would've gone for the door, called it in, helped others get out.

Someone busts in shootin', I'm not gonna die without a fight, even if I have to kill 'em with my steak knife. My Dad & his friends taught me never to lay down or stand idly by. This one idiot is about to make a big difference in our lives. One of us could've made a big difference there, by standin' up, gettin' involved, consequences be damned. One armed teacher at Columbine woulda' made a big difference too. Let the people carry, good will triumph. How many times do we have to see this?

Wait until' this moron get's in front of the camera's and says " this is what you'll face if you try n take our guns away."

Ned

Ned

 

[silentflyer]

As much as I believe in CC, I read somewhere only 8 out of each 100,000 US citizens has a CC permit, the odds are it's not very likely anyone with a CC will be at any mass shooting. If the number is right that's a reality.

 

[BCDWYO]

Movie theaters in Arizona generally have small no weapons signs on some of the entrance doors, which I conveniently do not see by going in other doors. I'm not breaking any laws, just theater "rules", but I do not go to the movies unarmed, and I suspect there are others like me. As for what I would or would not do, I can't truly say without being in that situation, but I honestly think my response would be to take cover or concealment and return fire if at all possible. I don't care if I was in the theater with my family or by myself. You can say I'm trying to be a hero or pound my chest but I honestly THINK that is what I would do. I'm not LEO, but I do feel a certain sense of responsibility as a member of society to do something if I can. My life could easily end if I return fire, but it could end by cowering on the floor as well. I may or may not be able to score a head shot depending on distance and movement, but I would sure try to hit him somewhere that would at least make him stop shooting or retreat. I don't know what I would do for certain, but I certainly know what I hope I would be able to do.

 

[MP22]

with Evil One & RevTracy, one shot would've made a huge difference. This guy was a coward. He was reasonably sure no one would be armed, so he blazed away. When confronted by LE he immediately drops his weapon & surenders, is my understanding. Even if he's wearin' a Kevlar face plate, if he takes a round to it, he's gonna stagger, probably turn to escape.

My personal carry gun, summer/winter, everywhere I go, even at home, is a Colt 1911, Officer's Model slide & barrel, on a regular length grip frame,cocked & locked, fitted with Crimson Trace Wraparound grips.

I'm gonna win in a low light/ no light scenario. Woe unto you if you do not have your CCW outfitted with a laser. If I was within 60 feet of his entrance I would have engaged without question. If I was way in back, I would've gone for the door, called it in, helped others get out.

Someone busts in shootin', I'm not gonna die without a fight, even if I have to kill 'em with my steak knife. My Dad & his friends taught me never to lay down or stand idly by. This one idiot is about to make a big difference in our lives. One of us could've made a big difference there, by standin' up, gettin' involved, consequences be damned. One armed teacher at Columbine woulda' made a big difference too. Let the people carry, good will triumph. How many times do we have to see this?

Wait until' this moron get's in front of the camera's and says " this is what you'll face if you try n take our guns away."

Ned

Ned

That colt has seen some service....nice.

 

[cbr6864]

Threads like this remind me why I love the internet...with all of this i would have this or that....all safely typed behind a keyboard

 

[venomballistics]

Threads like this remind me why I love the internet...with all of this i would have this or that....all safely typed behind a keyboard

The version of this thread Ive read to completion seems to voice outrage over various reasons why he was allowed to run his guns dry completely unchallenged to a far greater degree than "if I were there I'd have ______" form responses

 

[amazingflapjack]

This thread has been very educating to me regarding my fellow citizens who have made the decision to go armed.

 

[Kanewpadle]

with Evil One & RevTracy, one shot would've made a huge difference. This guy was a coward. He was reasonably sure no one would be armed, so he blazed away. When confronted by LE he immediately drops his weapon & surenders, is my understanding. Even if he's wearin' a Kevlar face plate, if he takes a round to it, he's gonna stagger, probably turn to escape.

My personal carry gun, summer/winter, everywhere I go, even at home, is a Colt 1911, Officer's Model slide & barrel, on a regular length grip frame,cocked & locked, fitted with Crimson Trace Wraparound grips.

I'm gonna win in a low light/ no light scenario. Woe unto you if you do not have your CCW outfitted with a laser. If I was within 60 feet of his entrance I would have engaged without question. If I was way in back, I would've gone for the door, called it in, helped others get out.

Someone busts in shootin', I'm not gonna die without a fight, even if I have to kill 'em with my steak knife. My Dad & his friends taught me never to lay down or stand idly by. This one idiot is about to make a big difference in our lives. One of us could've made a big difference there, by standin' up, gettin' involved, consequences be damned. One armed teacher at Columbine woulda' made a big difference too. Let the people carry, good will triumph. How many times do we have to see this?

Wait until' this moron get's in front of the camera's and says " this is what you'll face if you try n take our guns away."

Ned

Ned

Woulda coulda shoulda. Wishful thinking at best.

 

[dan-g]

This thread has been very educating to me regarding my fellow citizens who have made the decision to go armed.

Yes, it's unfortunate. Soon comes the equally interesting, "hording everything that might be banned phase". Right now we get to read through the un-compassionate comments portion.


This lack of empathy ride makes me sick, I think I will get off it now.

 

[RevTracy]

As much as I believe in CC, I read somewhere only 8 out of each 100,000 US citizens has a CC permit, the odds are it's not very likely anyone with a CC will be at any mass shooting. If the number is right that's a reality.

You are correct, except in Colorado I think the ratio of CC permit holders is much higher than other states. I have no statistics to prove this, obviously, but if this theater chain allowed CC there would have probably been at least one or two in the audience carrying. Again, this is just conjecture on my part.

 

[Martimus]

If someone in the audience had been armed and fired one or more shots at the wacko, the muzzle flash would have given their location away. So if the shot missed or didn't do significant damage to Holmes, he could have moved his POA in the general direction of the muzzle flash. Assuming he didn't run out the back door crying in pain from a hit to his vest, he could potentially have sent quite a few rounds right back at them... and at the people hiding in the general vicinity of the CCW shooter. I suspect that the thin metal movie theater seat backs would not be terribly effective at stopping those .223 rounds.

 

[RevTracy]

Woulda coulda shoulda. Wishful thinking at best.

Really?!?!? You think that those who choose to carry and have trained to do so are just kidding themselves? Well, tell that to the two perps in Florida who tried to rob an internet cafe a few weeks ago and got shot at (one injured as I recall) by a CC patron. And I know one ******* in California that had the shock of his life when he pulled a knife on me and found my pistol pointed at his forehead. Thankfully he dropped the knife and left, so I didn't have to shoot him. Yeah, those who CC are just a bunch of daydreamer, billy bad-*** wannabes...

 

[cbr6864]

It seems many are claiming they would have stood proudly and bravely taken a clean head shot just as they have seen in the movies over a 1000 times, never mind that its a crowded theater with people run and screaming, or the fact its dark and what little vision you have is limited by repeated muzzle flash, or that he had a rifle, or the fact that while you stood there firing away bravely protecting your family all those shoots you just fired most likely will draw his full attention to you and your family.

I have stated before I carry for myself and my family I suffer from no sheepdog nutnfancy fantasies of single-handedly stopping crime and saving the day. My only duty is to protect my family and myself. Before trying to engage the threat your first order of business should be getting your family out of danger. Not a single person here can say what they would have done because we were not there.


Now having said that continue on with the I would done this or that....im trained I took a CC class stuff

 

[venomballistics]

It seems many are claiming they would have stood proudly and bravely taken a clean head shot just as they have seen in the movies over a 1000 times, never mind that its a crowded theater with people run and screaming, or the fact its dark and what little vision you have is limited by repeated muzzle flash, or that he had a rifle, or the fact that while you stood there firing away bravely protecting your family all those shoots you just fired most likely will draw his full attention to you and your family.

I have stated before I carry for myself and my family I suffer from no sheepdog nutnfancy fantasies of single-handedly stopping crime and saving the day. My only duty is to protect my family and myself. Before trying to engage the threat your first order of business should be getting your family out of danger. Not a single person here can say what they would have done because we were not there.


Now having said that continue on with the I would done this or that....im trained I took a CC class stuff

this is better stated. the thing is 2A belongs to all of us as does the ability to obtain a ccw. yet both are largely squandered. I'm not talking about a case of one man turning the tables against insurmountable odds .. I'm taking about the five pounds of hot righteous lead that should have converged on his position when everyone pulled.

 

[jdh]

This same conversation takes place in police briefing rooms daily. It is usually the most macho officer in the briefing room who is found cowering behind his patrol car when the bullets start flying for real.

 

[keith44spl]

I've been sittin on the sideline here, readin all this here sheepdip...

I wasn't in that theater and don't know exactly what I would have done.

I pray that I would have had the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing.


What I'd really like to see on this thread, is testimonials of any that has saw the 'elephant' and cares to take a step forward.

All pud-knockers please take a step back-wards.

As we go about our lives, we know not what lyes in wait around the bend...Nor do we fully prepare for it.


I'd be willin to bet a dollar to a horse **** that the most vocal of the bunch ain't never fired a shot whilest starin' into the jaws....


Just a idle though....So jest keep those cards and letters, I'm an crusty old man and I been shot a time or two already.

Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[CigarGuy]

Is it unreasonable for "us" to not frequent places that are "gun-free" zones? And to let management know WHY we are not coming in to do business with them?
Guess I'm feeling helpless.........

 

[Evil One]

Dave, good post.
I have been shot and defended myself against it barehanded.
That is one reason why I carry today.
I interrupted a gang rape many years ago and had 2 of them jump me, I walked away... yet again bare handed.
So before anyone wants to pull the "you would be to scared to act" card... I have stared the bear in the mouth unarmed and walked away.
Every breath I draw is on time I shouldnt have.
I am not about to have something like that assault happen in my presence and not do what I can to stop it.


Jim

 

[1fly2ty]

The GAO report is very interesting, and I believe some of the numbers are skewed, and heres why if you look at Utah it has the highest percentage of CCW permits per population. However Utah and a bunch of the neighboring states residents can obtain a Utah CCW( its the most desirable one to have) I know the LGS I worked at last year taught the Utah class because once you get Utah you are legal to carry in 32 states, where as if I get the Idaho Licence I am only reciprical; with 19 states.
The other thing that hasn't been discussed is the fact that if someone had returned fire even though he was wearing body armor is that if his armor took a hit it would have taken him off his game. I looked up some info in ballistic tables a 38/357 delivers approxinmately 5-600 ft lbs of energy, and a .45 is considerabkly more! That much energy would knock any normal man down, so while it may be prudent not to return fire, doing so may have helped save lives. Safety of your family is always the first order of business, but with all of the pandimonium going on getting your loved ones to safety may not be possible, and in the decision making process, you may have to do something that seems irrational, but its better than doing nothing!
The most educational firearms training I have ever been involved in didn't happen while I was in the Navy for 21 years, it was at a night shoot IDPA match in Las Vegas! If you ever have the opportunity to do a night shoot do it, you will be amazed at what you think you know and what you really know when it comes to shooting at night, in your home or a dark theatre!

 

[venomballistics]

Dave, good post.
I have been shot and defended myself against it barehanded.
That is one reason why I carry today.
I interrupted a gang rape many years ago and had 2 of them jump me, I walked away... yet again bare handed.
So before anyone wants to pull the "you would be to scared to act" card... I have stared the bear in the mouth unarmed and walked away.
Every breath I draw is on time I shouldnt have.
I am not about to have something like that assault happen in my presence and not do what I can to stop it.


Jim

its in many people to act.
about 6 years ago I saw a family leaving the zoo with one kid pulling his younger brother along in a wagon behind Ma and Pa when he lost his grip trying to switch hands as his arm must have been getting flimsy for pulling him up that grade.
Result was the younger brother screaming all the way to an intersection where he'd have face the wrath of an oncoming minivan Im certain he knew he was about to get real familiar with in the most painful of ways.
I was too far out to make a difference, I was closing the gap anyhow. I didn't have to though. The most unlikely person you could imagine was a good deal closer. She was between 45 and 50 years of age, weighed in at 400+ if she weighed an ounce. Despite being morbidly obese and less than youthful, it didnt stop her from trying. She stopped that runaway wagon cold and never noticed the Jeep that missed her by inches.
something about that sticks with me