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I'm willing to prove that.
Express your view logically and without personal insults, or keep your mouth shut.
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Lee Jarrett
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"Legislation" It's coming, there are no two ways about it. The only questions are how soon, in what form and how bad. Obama might go the legislative route if he can, but if that doesn't look good to him, he will not hesitate to issue an executive order or directive and those things are rarely overturned in court. I doubt there would be enough votes in Congress to pass legislation that would reverse such and order.
There will be no more "high capacity" magazines and no more "assault rifles". That is a done deal, in my opinion. I hope I am proven wrong, but barring some huge national issue that derails this thing, I don't see it going away. The media has been making sure it stays an issue.
The NRA has no credibility with the White House, and very little with Congress or the non-gun-owning public. Even a large number of "sportsmen" do not think the NRA represents their views. We can dig in our heels and fight. Maybe that is the thing to do, but might it not be better to take some losses and try and protect what we can? I wonder if we should…
1. Try to make the point that except for magazine capacity, an "assault rifle" is no different than any other semi auto. Try and get them to focus on magazine capacity and not the guns, so that if you like accessorizing and shooting ARs or AKs or whatever you can continue to do so, but will have to live with smaller magazines. (I doubt this will work because the other side assumes people will find a way to get large mags for such guns. They want to get rid of the guns that can take such mags, whether the mags are legal or not. All that **** about forbidden parts like pistol grips and flash hiders is just a way to get at such guns, and they are smarter now about how to do that.)
2. "Grandfather" existing magazines and guns so we don't end up having to pay exorbitant fees and go through a bureaucratic mess just to keep what we have already paid for and own, or perhaps even lose these items altogether (Or at a minimum, allow time for someone to start producing kits so we can convert mags we own instead of surrender them or treat them as Class 3 items)
3. Try to protect the ability to purchase ammo and reloading components online (think about what will happen to prices if we cannot)
4. Try to prevent the ridiculous idea of requiring background checks for reloading components and ammo.
5. Get behind some "reasonable" magazine limits instead of an arbitrary number (So many guns have original 11, 12, 13 round magazines… maybe we could get a slightly more reasonable limit if we tried).
At this point I would be relieved if all we got was the old ban with no sunset provision.
only to add that this board will remain civil.
I'm willing to prove that.
Express your view logically and without personal insults, or keep your mouth shut.
If any of this is unclear, the staff is always willing to provide clarification.
The President of the United States will be referred to as the President, or by the accepted media usage of 'Obama' or 'BHO' on this board. Other government officials will be afforded the same courtesy.
Edit your posts accordingly.
Lee Jarrett
________________________________
"Legislation" It's coming, there are no two ways about it. The only questions are how soon, in what form and how bad. Obama might go the legislative route if he can, but if that doesn't look good to him, he will not hesitate to issue an executive order or directive and those things are rarely overturned in court. I doubt there would be enough votes in Congress to pass legislation that would reverse such and order.
There will be no more "high capacity" magazines and no more "assault rifles". That is a done deal, in my opinion. I hope I am proven wrong, but barring some huge national issue that derails this thing, I don't see it going away. The media has been making sure it stays an issue.
The NRA has no credibility with the White House, and very little with Congress or the non-gun-owning public. Even a large number of "sportsmen" do not think the NRA represents their views. We can dig in our heels and fight. Maybe that is the thing to do, but might it not be better to take some losses and try and protect what we can? I wonder if we should…
1. Try to make the point that except for magazine capacity, an "assault rifle" is no different than any other semi auto. Try and get them to focus on magazine capacity and not the guns, so that if you like accessorizing and shooting ARs or AKs or whatever you can continue to do so, but will have to live with smaller magazines. (I doubt this will work because the other side assumes people will find a way to get large mags for such guns. They want to get rid of the guns that can take such mags, whether the mags are legal or not. All that **** about forbidden parts like pistol grips and flash hiders is just a way to get at such guns, and they are smarter now about how to do that.)
2. "Grandfather" existing magazines and guns so we don't end up having to pay exorbitant fees and go through a bureaucratic mess just to keep what we have already paid for and own, or perhaps even lose these items altogether (Or at a minimum, allow time for someone to start producing kits so we can convert mags we own instead of surrender them or treat them as Class 3 items)
3. Try to protect the ability to purchase ammo and reloading components online (think about what will happen to prices if we cannot)
4. Try to prevent the ridiculous idea of requiring background checks for reloading components and ammo.
5. Get behind some "reasonable" magazine limits instead of an arbitrary number (So many guns have original 11, 12, 13 round magazines… maybe we could get a slightly more reasonable limit if we tried).
At this point I would be relieved if all we got was the old ban with no sunset provision.
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