That is so awsome to hear from an actual end user with real feedback, beat the heck out of the BS from the naysayers without a clue..
The Governor??
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That is so awsome to hear from an actual end user with real feedback, beat the heck out of the BS from the naysayers without a clue..
Question for you folks; have any of you folks seen the new S&W Governor? Any thoughts on this particular revolver?
I love the idea of several ammo options on one gun frame. I don't know about the moon clip thing for the .45 acp though? The Taurus 9mm revolver I had had a moon clip and I hated it! It didn't seem to hold the rounds very well. But I loved the fact of shooting 9 mm rounds in a revolver and my auto-loader!
So, I'm anxiously waiting to see one of these little puppies up close and personal!
A .410 shotgun shell, a .45 long colt AND an acp, WOW!!
It is just another example of firearms for morons. This stuff comes and goes in phases.
Remember the movie "Quigley down under"? It spawed an industry of Sharp's replica manufacturers. Now there are 1000's of high-dollar Sharps rifles sitting in safes after their owners discovered that "Quigley" was fiction.
The only good thing I can say about these goofy revolvers is that they are cheaper than a Sharps.
I'll be niece... 
now that we all know just how bright you are.. anything else you can share with us...
Stainz
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Yeah, you must wonder about the nitwits who buy these things. Shoot .45 Colts? I have two better ways to accomplish that - a 625-6 and -7 MG. .45 ACPs? I have a great 625JM. Who needs .410? And Al/Sc frame... why? It's black, too... even the SS cylinder.
The Governor has a tritium Night Sight - fixed rear sight. Really defensive device - not a target gun, for sure. Smallish boot-like grip. The owner's manual has an addendum sheet on the Governor - it says to look on the barrel for the caliber requirement. That's where you'll find the '.45 Colt .45 ACP .410 2 1/2"'. Ohhh, and there is an IL keyhole above the cylinder release. Decent DA trigger, too. The rubber grip is smallish - barely 'enough' for my hands. I wonder what size grips fit it? Hmmmmm. The box end label is neat: Model: GOV (The model number over the s/ under the yoke of the revolver is 'GOV', too!) SKU: 162410.
I guess you figured it out.... I'm a nitwit, too. I found a new gunstore this AM - closer to me than my normal 'pusher'. I stopped in - he got five Friday - sold one, put one on layaway, and sold one this AM - to a nitwit - me. I finally had to go back there for .410 ammo - my range's store and WallyWorld alike had Federal .410 Handgun ammo - in 3" only! I have some homebrew .45 Colt, .45 ACP, and even some .45 Schofield to try - no need to bring any .45 Auto Rim, that vestige of a cylinder ring would not allow enough clearance. I did get some #6 2.5" .410 and Winchester 2.5" .410 self defense ammo. Range trip Tuesday - more later. Nitwit out!
Stainz
PS My reading comprehension seems lacking... or I didn't read every post. I see where I am really a 'moron' - not a nitwit. Gee... that seems judgemental...
The Governor has a tritium Night Sight - fixed rear sight. Really defensive device - not a target gun, for sure. Smallish boot-like grip. The owner's manual has an addendum sheet on the Governor - it says to look on the barrel for the caliber requirement. That's where you'll find the '.45 Colt .45 ACP .410 2 1/2"'. Ohhh, and there is an IL keyhole above the cylinder release. Decent DA trigger, too. The rubber grip is smallish - barely 'enough' for my hands. I wonder what size grips fit it? Hmmmmm. The box end label is neat: Model: GOV (The model number over the s/ under the yoke of the revolver is 'GOV', too!) SKU: 162410.
I guess you figured it out.... I'm a nitwit, too. I found a new gunstore this AM - closer to me than my normal 'pusher'. I stopped in - he got five Friday - sold one, put one on layaway, and sold one this AM - to a nitwit - me. I finally had to go back there for .410 ammo - my range's store and WallyWorld alike had Federal .410 Handgun ammo - in 3" only! I have some homebrew .45 Colt, .45 ACP, and even some .45 Schofield to try - no need to bring any .45 Auto Rim, that vestige of a cylinder ring would not allow enough clearance. I did get some #6 2.5" .410 and Winchester 2.5" .410 self defense ammo. Range trip Tuesday - more later. Nitwit out!
Stainz
PS My reading comprehension seems lacking... or I didn't read every post. I see where I am really a 'moron' - not a nitwit. Gee... that seems judgemental...
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Yeah, you must wonder about the nitwits who buy these things. Shoot .45 Colts? I have two better ways to accomplish that - a 625-6 and -7 MG. .45 ACPs? I have a great 625JM. Who needs .410? And Al/Sc frame... why? It's black, too... even the SS cylinder.
there is an IL keyhole above the cylinder release.
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Another nitwit here. Yup I got one of them Governors today also.
Yes I have 45 LC, 45 ACP, 10mm, 40 S&W, 44 mag and 357 mag all in revolvers. As in Model 25's, 625's, 610's, 629's, 60's, 66's, and 686's in many different barrel lenghts from 2.5 thru 8.375 inches. I like the 3 and 5 inch ones best. I have a 25 and a 625 that can shoot 45 LC and 45 ACP thanks to Pinnacle High Performances.
Oh, I hate the IL locks and this will be my first, my second is a 686-8 7 shot 5 inch. All others NO LOCK.
I would have really liked to have a Governor all in stainless steel without the lock. Maybe someday.
I wanted to try a three caliber gun that S&W actually makes and hopefully will work as good as the older guns that I have. So I bought one.
I have handled the Judge and didn't like the feel, the Governor feels good. Nuff said.
Thanks for your honest assessment, Stainz. This moron will probably be buying one too. I always wanted a revolver that shoots 45 Colt, 45 ACP, and 410 made by a GOOD arms manufacturer.
Stainz
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Monday saw a rather fast delivery from S&W Accessories - SKU #199080000 ~$75 w s/h. It was a 'RH Tan Speed Scabbard S&W Governor' - they already had a holster for the 'nitwit/moron' revolver! It's a thumblatch-less, but very secure, leather RH forward tilt holster with one set of belt holes. I'll get a picture as soon as I can. Here is last week's picture - with the ammo I shot on last Tuesday & Thursday range trips:
No, it won't make every range trip - it really isn't a fun revolver. I put my 63, 64, 617, 625JM, & 627's in that category. It may just be the ideal HD revolver, however... especially if you have an eclectic mix of ammo calibers!
Stainz
PS You bet the S&W/Hogue .500 Magnum grips fit - and really help with the recoil!
No, it won't make every range trip - it really isn't a fun revolver. I put my 63, 64, 617, 625JM, & 627's in that category. It may just be the ideal HD revolver, however... especially if you have an eclectic mix of ammo calibers!
Stainz
PS You bet the S&W/Hogue .500 Magnum grips fit - and really help with the recoil!
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Hi, I was in my local gun shop when they were unpacking two brand new Governors and bought one just for the hell of it. It looked and felt good even though it was a (handful at 5lb's) I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but will probably go next Tuesday. I did discover the six round moon clip for the 45 acp's is very, very dificult to load and next to impossible to retrieve from the clip. I'll be getting in touch with SW for some advice or perhaps a replacement. The G shop had a tool desighed for removing shells from moon clips and it wouldn't fit......so we'll see how that works out.
The gun is made very well and I can't wait to put a CT on it.
As for utility...well.... that remains to be seen. ha I know it's going to be a hoot to mess around with (plinking) and probably wouldn't make a bad HD weapon.
I'll guve you all a followup range report about the 45 acp's and some 410's. I don't like the cowboy's because they're sooooo damn dirty.
Later,
JimK
The gun is made very well and I can't wait to put a CT on it.
As for utility...well.... that remains to be seen. ha I know it's going to be a hoot to mess around with (plinking) and probably wouldn't make a bad HD weapon.
I'll guve you all a followup range report about the 45 acp's and some 410's. I don't like the cowboy's because they're sooooo damn dirty.
Later,
JimK
Congrats, good to hear you got one, looking forward to one myself. As for the moon clips, if you haven't used them before they are nasty to load and nasty to unload unless you have the correct tool for it. I have the unloading tool, came with my Thunder Ranch 325, it works great, but there is a tool for loading, haven't gotten one of those yet. Might be the tool at the shop was the wrong one..
Stainz
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If you have a Governor that weighs 5 lb, something is wrong - they weigh <2 lb empty (29.6 oz). The best demooner for me is the Brownell's nutdrver style at ~$15. It holds all six empties you've just stripped in the hollow tube, too - handy while you look for a bag/box to stow them in. I tried the scissors demooners - they lasted a week before I broke them - simpler works better! The six slot moonclips are from Ranch Products - $35/100 shipped. They are persnickety - seemingly likes Starline brass the best, if you reload - but the Remington brass loads well by hand, too. The cartridge should rotate freely in the clip. Some brass is just too tight. The $85box of 250 rounds of ball ammo from UMC at WallyWorld works fine. Congratulations!
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dla, calling people "morons" just because they purchase something you don't like is not the sign of a wise, thoughtful person. I don't really like the .410 revolvers either, but your lack of respect for fellow forum members is a shame, and someone in Admin should address it.
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Governor
I do not think the Governor is the ideal do all, but it comes it comes pretty close. Here is why I purchased mine: my wife and I own two 45 autos, two 45 colt single actions and two 45 colt lever guns. There is always 45 ammo in either vehicle and everywhere around the house. The gun is shorter than my Bearcat and will perform well against anything I may cross when I'm in the woods, as well as being pretty light to pack.
Just my 2 cents,
Barbarosa
I do not think the Governor is the ideal do all, but it comes it comes pretty close. Here is why I purchased mine: my wife and I own two 45 autos, two 45 colt single actions and two 45 colt lever guns. There is always 45 ammo in either vehicle and everywhere around the house. The gun is shorter than my Bearcat and will perform well against anything I may cross when I'm in the woods, as well as being pretty light to pack.
Just my 2 cents,
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Just traded a Gov for a 625 PC
My Governor was my first firearms purchase. I got it because I've always liked S&W revolvers, it fit my hand perfectly, and I thought I'd enjoy trying out all the different kinds of rounds and shells it could fire. I intended to use it mostly for target practice, and to keep as a HD weapon.
I had a lot of fun at the range with it for a few months. It was nice that it always got a lot of attention. People always wanted to try it out, ask me questions and such. It was fun to fire .45ACP out of it. The .45LC had too big a kick for me to enjoy shooting a whole lot of it. Yes, I'm a wimp. It's just a very light revolver, and you're going to feel the recoil. I shot #4 and 000 shells through it. That also kicked pretty hard.
Accuracy is definitely an issue. I have a wife and two kids in a medium sized home to defend. I have to think practically about what I'm willing to fire inside my house, with them around. The .45LC is a definite man-stopper, but it's just too powerful. I'd hate for it to go through a wall. The #4 shot sprays bbs all over the place. I wouldn't worry about it going through a wall, but I'd hit a lot of stuff that I wasn't trying to hit. Also, the penetration is not good at any kind of normal in-house distance. I'd have to be so close to a BG that I'm basically punching his head off. I'd rather not have to rush or sneak up on an intruder. The 000 would probably be what I'd use, if I didn't have the .45ACP.
But .45ACP is easy to buy and pretty cheap. A .45 ACP JHP round isn't likely to go through an attacker and through the wall behind him, but it'll certainly make him sorry for coming in uninvited. I ended up using .45ACP almost exclusively, once I was done blowing a ton of money on trying out different kinds of ammo. In the end, it came down to comfort of use and financial considerations.
They say you should always train as you fight, but in this case, I'll have to fight as I train. It makes no sense to spend all my time getting used to firing .45ACP in practice and then think I might use the 000 shot against a BG.
Take away the ability to shoot shot shells, and you've got a .45ACP snub-nose revolver with a cylinder that's way too long. Why not just throw down a little extra money and get a revolver that shoots the same ammo more accurately?
Well, because my hand is a little too small for an N frame. The K frame grip on the Gov was just perfect for me. I'm going to lose a tiny bit on accuracy for that reason, firing in DA. SA, though, fits me just fine.
It kind of broke my heart to sell my Governor. I had grown to love it. The weather hasn't been good enough for me to take the 625PC to the range, yet. I'm hoping I'll love the 625 even more, eventually.
I did replace the red, natural and blue wooden grip with a nice Hogue rubber grip. There wasn't much difference in how much of my finger I could get on the trigger while keeping my wrist straight, but the Hogue grips certainly look and feel MUCH better.
I'll let you guys know how I'm liking the 625 after a few days at the range.
My Governor was my first firearms purchase. I got it because I've always liked S&W revolvers, it fit my hand perfectly, and I thought I'd enjoy trying out all the different kinds of rounds and shells it could fire. I intended to use it mostly for target practice, and to keep as a HD weapon.
I had a lot of fun at the range with it for a few months. It was nice that it always got a lot of attention. People always wanted to try it out, ask me questions and such. It was fun to fire .45ACP out of it. The .45LC had too big a kick for me to enjoy shooting a whole lot of it. Yes, I'm a wimp. It's just a very light revolver, and you're going to feel the recoil. I shot #4 and 000 shells through it. That also kicked pretty hard.
Accuracy is definitely an issue. I have a wife and two kids in a medium sized home to defend. I have to think practically about what I'm willing to fire inside my house, with them around. The .45LC is a definite man-stopper, but it's just too powerful. I'd hate for it to go through a wall. The #4 shot sprays bbs all over the place. I wouldn't worry about it going through a wall, but I'd hit a lot of stuff that I wasn't trying to hit. Also, the penetration is not good at any kind of normal in-house distance. I'd have to be so close to a BG that I'm basically punching his head off. I'd rather not have to rush or sneak up on an intruder. The 000 would probably be what I'd use, if I didn't have the .45ACP.
But .45ACP is easy to buy and pretty cheap. A .45 ACP JHP round isn't likely to go through an attacker and through the wall behind him, but it'll certainly make him sorry for coming in uninvited. I ended up using .45ACP almost exclusively, once I was done blowing a ton of money on trying out different kinds of ammo. In the end, it came down to comfort of use and financial considerations.
They say you should always train as you fight, but in this case, I'll have to fight as I train. It makes no sense to spend all my time getting used to firing .45ACP in practice and then think I might use the 000 shot against a BG.
Take away the ability to shoot shot shells, and you've got a .45ACP snub-nose revolver with a cylinder that's way too long. Why not just throw down a little extra money and get a revolver that shoots the same ammo more accurately?
Well, because my hand is a little too small for an N frame. The K frame grip on the Gov was just perfect for me. I'm going to lose a tiny bit on accuracy for that reason, firing in DA. SA, though, fits me just fine.
It kind of broke my heart to sell my Governor. I had grown to love it. The weather hasn't been good enough for me to take the 625PC to the range, yet. I'm hoping I'll love the 625 even more, eventually.
I did replace the red, natural and blue wooden grip with a nice Hogue rubber grip. There wasn't much difference in how much of my finger I could get on the trigger while keeping my wrist straight, but the Hogue grips certainly look and feel MUCH better.
I'll let you guys know how I'm liking the 625 after a few days at the range.
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Question for you folks; have any of you folks seen the new S&W Governor? Any thoughts on this particular revolver?
I love the idea of several ammo options on one gun frame. I don't know about the moon clip thing for the .45 acp though? The Taurus 9mm revolver I had had a moon clip and I hated it! It didn't seem to hold the rounds very well. But I loved the fact of shooting 9 mm rounds in a revolver and my auto-loader!
So, I'm anxiously waiting to see one of these little puppies up close and personal!
A .410 shotgun shell, a .45 long colt AND an acp, WOW!!
Most experienced shooters would gently suggest that you not waste your hard-earned $ on it.
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I love how the people who never owned or shot one knows the most about it. LoL.
I own one and love it. Its accurate, versitle, and one best revolvers on the market plain and simple.
I have a Galco holster and you would never know I was carrrying it.
Its more compact than a Judge as it shoots a 2.5 inch shell and you wouldnt wanna be standing in my hallway at 2am cause I'm not going to miss.
My suggestion is you can't go wrong buying one and this coming through a owner thats ran several boxes of shells through it in all 3 configurations.
I own one and love it. Its accurate, versitle, and one best revolvers on the market plain and simple.
I have a Galco holster and you would never know I was carrrying it.
Its more compact than a Judge as it shoots a 2.5 inch shell and you wouldnt wanna be standing in my hallway at 2am cause I'm not going to miss.
My suggestion is you can't go wrong buying one and this coming through a owner thats ran several boxes of shells through it in all 3 configurations.
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Sportsman423, did you read my review/experiences? I'll try to sum up my impression, from several months of ownership:
Pros:
Medium-smallish grip fits my hand well.
Fun to take to the range because of the attention it gets and the different kinds of rounds it can fire.
Shoots .45ACP in moonclips. (Why don't they make more revolvers that fire automatic rounds in moonclips?)
Cons:
Shot shells fired through a rifled, 2-3/4in barrel are not reliably accurate and penetrative enough for defensive purposes.
Therefore, every compromise made in order for the weapon to be able to fire shot shells is really an unjustified loss to accuracy.
One range that I called said they didn't allow the Judge or the Governor on their range because the pellets strike other shooters' targets, and over time, destroy the wooden frames on the targets.
Someone made a thread wishing that they made a revolver that fired .45LC and .45ACP in moonclips, but without the ability to fire shot shells. This would allow for excellent flexibility, make a nice hunting pistol as well as HD and SD pistol, and have greater accuracy over a Governor. If they made such a revolver on a K frame, I would definitely buy it.
Pros:
Medium-smallish grip fits my hand well.
Fun to take to the range because of the attention it gets and the different kinds of rounds it can fire.
Shoots .45ACP in moonclips. (Why don't they make more revolvers that fire automatic rounds in moonclips?)
Cons:
Shot shells fired through a rifled, 2-3/4in barrel are not reliably accurate and penetrative enough for defensive purposes.
Therefore, every compromise made in order for the weapon to be able to fire shot shells is really an unjustified loss to accuracy.
One range that I called said they didn't allow the Judge or the Governor on their range because the pellets strike other shooters' targets, and over time, destroy the wooden frames on the targets.
Someone made a thread wishing that they made a revolver that fired .45LC and .45ACP in moonclips, but without the ability to fire shot shells. This would allow for excellent flexibility, make a nice hunting pistol as well as HD and SD pistol, and have greater accuracy over a Governor. If they made such a revolver on a K frame, I would definitely buy it.
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I didn't really want to sell my Governor, especially as it was my first firearms purchase. However, I couldn't afford the 625PC without selling the Gov.
I finally fired the 625PC yesterday afternoon. It was beautiful! It's much smoother than the Governor, and there's much less recoil. I fired some Hornady 185gr JHP at some soda cans. The destruction wrought upon that hapless aluminum was truly awesome. This is definitely a revolver I'll keep to hand down to my kids one day.
I finally fired the 625PC yesterday afternoon. It was beautiful! It's much smoother than the Governor, and there's much less recoil. I fired some Hornady 185gr JHP at some soda cans. The destruction wrought upon that hapless aluminum was truly awesome. This is definitely a revolver I'll keep to hand down to my kids one day.
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Your results are different from mine. Accuracy of the Gov has been outstanding with Federal 000 and 45LC. So good is the accuracy, if you put a $20.00 bill up at 20 yards, I'll hit it and take it every time. The penetration argument doesn't hold up either. I have shot real live farm animals and the results were devastating. Stick with the ammo designed for the shot pistol and you dont have a problem. There is a misconception of this gun is that it performs like a long gun 12 gauge with #4 shot where you get a 18" shot pattern. A pistol will never be that. Its a hybrid you must aim like any other pistol. I am a handgun hunter, been to Gunsite 2 times, and shot IPSC competitively for 8 years. I am not a newbie that lacks the skills to get the job done with any conventional handgun. I feel just as well armed with the Gov as I do with my 1911 and maybe even better armed with the Gov in the woods. I am not sure why there is such a irrational predigest spread by the keyboard commandos against the shot pistol?? Perhaps too many new shooters are buying them and using them incorrectly at the range.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlry5KH6I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlry5KH6I0
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If I had to get into a gunfight with someone, at a set distance of 10 yards, and I had eye protection and my 625, and the other guy had eye protection and a Governor loaded with birdshot, I wouldn't be concerned for my safety.
See hickok45's video on the Judge for a demonstration. He couldn't pierce a piece of aluminum duct work with .410 birdshot from 3 yards.
Correction -- he did get one pellet of #4 to pierce the aluminum at 3 yards. Still, I'd put on a leather jacket and some heavy jeans and probably be just fine at 10 yards, so long as my opponent didn't get lucky and put an eye out.
See hickok45's video on the Judge for a demonstration. He couldn't pierce a piece of aluminum duct work with .410 birdshot from 3 yards.
Correction -- he did get one pellet of #4 to pierce the aluminum at 3 yards. Still, I'd put on a leather jacket and some heavy jeans and probably be just fine at 10 yards, so long as my opponent didn't get lucky and put an eye out.
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I do think the Governor would be a great weapon for defense against car-jacking or rape. Like I said above, at extreme close range, it would be like punching someone's head into a fine, red mist.
I just don't want to be limited to that sort of range.
I just don't want to be limited to that sort of range.
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