M&P22 range fail

[MKT]

I may have missed it in the sea of replies, but...

You used the abbreviation FTF.

Does that mean Failure to Feed or Failure to Fire? Either could be ammo, I'd try something different, if you can find any right now.

 

[Jizzo]

I meant failure to fire...when the bullet is in the chamber and has a dent in the back from the firing pin. I gets stuck and I have to pry the live round out. Its probably happened 40 or 50 times out of 500 rounds.

This is my first gun...I'm not really sure of the terminology.

 

[Lost Lake]

Not to start a caliber debate but yea 22lr would be my last choice for HD. Please dont get me wrong 22 is better then lets say a baseball bat but still its more a practice round. I think overall the 9mm is a great HD round for the pistol. They also make ammo specifically designed not to over penetrate wall's in the home.

Everyone has a different opinion on caliber effectiveness.

Me? I'm fully stocked with .22 in case of emergency. The .22 is one of the best rounds to own if the SHTF. You can carry hundreds of rounds in a pocket, it is easy to come by, it is deadly at several hundred yards, it is accurate, it can be used in many different hand guns and rifles, and it is effective. Any caliber that can poke holes in people is effective. (for the record I am now carrying a 9mm)

Any round that effectively penetrates people will also effectively penetrate walls. Give up one and you give up the other. I don't see how you can get around that.

 

[bxny10455]

I took my newly acquirer M&P22 to the range with my children last Monday. I didn't clean the pistol other than run a snake bore through the barrel. I shot about 200 of mixed ammo with zero issues. Didn't shoot more because I felt foreign to me shooting with one magazine. I have 3 more mags coming this week for a more in-depth test.
Btw the sight are crappy!

 

[Lineman73]

Sir, if someone is in your house, you don't want to confront him with the M&P 22. Get yourself a S&W Shield in .40 and train with the .22. Good luck!

Rule #1 of gun fighting: Have a gun!!

A .22 beats the hell out of a rock!! I like the .40 S&W in FS M&P, Shield or SR40c. Better yet, my Kimber Custom Stainless II .45ACP w/ Crimson Trace Laser Grip. Lacking any of those, I'd sure be happy to see my M&P 22. Preference over ALL of those: Mossberg 590-A1 12 Gauge w/ 3" #4 Buck X 9!

 

[Lineman73]

Mine's Okay!

I've fired over 200 rounds of CCI minimags through my M&P 22with not problems at all. Great for practice. It feels very similar to my FS M&P40 and my Shield 40. The trigger is not quite the same, as I have Apex Hard Sears in both .40's. Still the .22 is good practice and great fun.

Now if I could get MY wife to join in!! We've been married 42 years and she has NO interest in shooting at all! Hey, Jizzo, I'll trade you an M&P22 that works for a wife who likes to shoot!! DEALIO? I have other guns!!!

 

[HotRoderX]

I meant failure to fire...when the bullet is in the chamber and has a dent in the back from the firing pin. I gets stuck and I have to pry the live round out. Its probably happened 40 or 50 times out of 500 rounds.

This is my first gun...I'm not really sure of the terminology.

Jizzo I was under the impression you where having failed to feed not failed to fire. Check the rounds to see if it looks like the picture bellow if it does then the issue is the ammo straight up, if not then it could be a light strike from the firing pin. I just assumed that it was failed to feed because that's a common issue with new 22's.

The not ejecting fired brass is just a 22 thing and the best way to get them out is to carefully pry them out in my opinion. Shoving anything down a barrel on to a possible live round is extremely dangerous.

Here a example I found online

I bet the ammo your using is bulk pack like Federal are Winchester. Its kinda a uncommon common problem normally in a lose bulk pack you have 5-10 failed to fire rounds. I have had as many as like 60 in a single pack of Winchster 333 bulk lose ammo. I stopped counting just started ejecting them into a coffee can to dispose of thats how bad it was.

Definitely not your gun if your rims look like the above.

 

[Jizzo]

When the next round fails to feed, the slide is closed but really tight likes it's binding. I have to force the slide back to loosen it up, then I can chamber the next round manually and fire.

Mine does the same thing....won't chamber the round. Then the slide is really, really tight. (In addition to failing to fire 1 out of 10)

Hotrodder, my duds look just like that. Nice dent in the rim but no bang.

I found some Remington yellow jackets and cci "match" ammo. I'm gonna try them both tomorrow and if i still have the same issues I'll call S&W.

I'll be sure to report my range results.

 

[FLY FIS]

I saw one post here about fail to feed the first round, and having it only with the 12 round full magazine. I had the same thing with mine and found that I was putting the new mag in and slapping the bottom to lock it in place. If I hit the bottom to hard it would take that first round and point the nose up and out of the mag so that when the slide came forward the round would not feed properly. Try it when you are back at the range pointing down range. (Safety First)!!!

Also slight lubrication on those pounts recomended in the owners manual will help with that slide problem. I've had some people suggest synthetic Mobile One, but I still use regular Hoppe's. Old School I guess!!

 

[FLY FIS]

Just got back from the range now. I put another 400+ rounds through it just now and zero for problems. I was shooting "Blazer" bulk ammo, 40gr. lead round nose, MV is 1235fps. I have 6, 12 round mags that I use. The weapons that I shoot are cleaned upon getting home and I oil the points designated in the owners manual. After cleaning and lubricating I always pull the slide back numerous times to get the oil to all the areas within the slide as needed. Then it goes in the safe on the rack. I also take the mags apart and run a rag through each then use a silicone rag to clean off the spring and the seat that the first round sets on. If you have never done this you will be surprised at the junk you get out of the mag. Assuming you have done all these things, then I guess the call to S&W must be made. Good Luck!

 

[Jizzo]

I got 2 different types of ammo at the LGS this week. Remmington yellow jacket bulk and I got some high dollar CCI match.

I went to the range today and performance was much improved. I only had one failure to fire in 200 rounds of the yellow jackets and it was the first round in the magazine so it probably didnt chamber right. I only shot 20 rounds of the CCI and had one failure to fire and one failure to feed. I didnt like the CCI as much.

Everything I read about this gun before I bought it was that it wasn't finicky on ammo and this one is. I think if I stick with the yellowjackets I'll be OK.

I took some picks of the different bullets. The really bad Armscore is on the right with the CCI in the middle and the yellowjackets on the right.

 

[Zunaro]

bobermo:
I bought a new M&P22 recently and my action gets 'tight' there as well, hammer already cocked.

Jizzo, bobermo:
I also recently purchased my M&P22 and will take it to the range tomorrow.

I have several loads to test: Federal American Eagle 38 grain copper plated hollow point (CPHP); CCI Mini-Mag Troy Landry Edition 36 grain CPHP; CCI Mini-Mag 40 grain Copper Plated Round Nose (CPRN) as well as some old ammo of the same variety(70s?); Old CCI Blazer 40 grain Lead Round Nose (LRN) 70's or 80's I think; Remington Viper 36 grain Copper Plated Truncated Cone (pictured with the newer CCI Mini-Mags); Winchester Super-X 40 grain CPRN; CCI Velocitor 40 grain CPHP.

Range report tomorrow.

 

[FireManDan]

Wow...Glad I decided to surf through here to see if I could find out how these M&P .22's are doing. I'm thinking about buying one soon and figured I'd better see how everyones liking them. Sooooo...not so much then huh? When I purchase a gun I really need it to perform like it should. I don't have tons of money to throw around fixing,changing them so they will work good, the way they should've came from the factory working. I'll hold off until these issues are addressed by the factory quality control I guess.

 

[IntenseImage]

Wow...Glad I decided to surf through here to see if I could find out how these M&P .22's are doing. I'm thinking about buying one soon and figured I'd better see how everyones liking them. Sooooo...not so much then huh? When I purchase a gun I really need it to perform like it should. I don't have tons of money to throw around fixing,changing them so they will work good, the way they should've came from the factory working. I'll hold off until these issues are addressed by the factory quality control I guess.

They are semi auto 22s ... You must almost expect issues. Its the nature of the beast. My M&P22 only has a few hundred rounds through it and it hasn't had a single issue.

These are massively popular guns and you must realize that people typically only post when they have a problem.

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[Zunaro]

Got some range time in today, kind of a mixed bag here.

CCI Mini-Mags: 1 or 2 FTFire out of 80 or so
CCI Velocitor: 3-4 FTFire out of 45
Old CCI Blazer: 1 FTFire out of 49 (one was missing from box)
CCI Troy Landry Special Edition: Zero Failures out of ~125
Federal American Eagle: 3 FTFire out of 90
Winchester Super-X: 12-15 FTFire out of 60
Remington Viper: 3 FTFire out of 25
Old CCI Mini-Mag: Only fired one, it gunked up the firearm bad and spit gunk back in my face. I think it was a slow/incomplete powder burn. Likely to dispose of for safety.

I had an issue with the slide not catching on last round fired, resulting in dry fires. Also some of the rims of the duds and fired rounds seemed to have a light strike and others seemed to be striking just inside the rim, not flattening the rim like I see on my rimfire rifles. Zero feeding issues however.

Not impressive. But when the firearm functioned well, it was accurate and a blast!

 

[Zunaro]

It might be that it is a bad run, I'm going to take it to the range again when I get a chance and if it persists I have no doubt Smith & Wesson would make it right.

 

[oldandfatonaharley]

I'm going to chime in here with a couple of thoughts. My Ruger MarkII Stainless Target never did anything like that to me. Field stripping it stinks, but the thing always works, and has from day one. (smug mode off) On the topic of .22 for defense, absolutely not. I've been shot with a .22. The clue was the hole in my clothes. Based on that, I think you'd need perfect shot placement to get quick stoppage of an assailant. You try managing that under severe stress. I want to do the best I can to shoot center of body mass, and make large holes, and a good amount of tissue damage. .40 S&W is as small as I'll go for defensive purposes. I'm extremely happy with my M&P .40 FS.

 

[Jizzo]

My wife and I bought this gun as a practice weapon so we can put many rounds through it inexpensively because this is our first weapon. I'm not dilusional about the stopping power of a .22. When we feel comfortable safely handling and shooting we will buy a 9mm or .45.

My slide is very smooth now. I've put about 750 rounds through it. its seems to operate properly if i use quality ammo. Its also been cleaned 3 times now. I think I'll keep it.

Overall the gun has served its purpose...we are learning to shoot, clean, load and safely store the gun in addition to discovering that rimfire is good for the range not the home.

I think I'll enjoy this gun for years to come. It will be good for my daughter to learn shoot and guests I might bring to the range. (while i shoot my .45)

I just got to hold a coworkers M&P9 and the slide on it is probably easy enough for my wife to operate. nice gun.

 

[Jizzo]

Sorry guys, don't mean to beat this subject to death, but I was once again checking the action of my slide. Even after I oil it properly, the slight is too tight in my opinion. I'm new to guns, but am a bit of a mechanic. So the slide gets hung up, either where is rubs on the cocked hammer or on the sides. Can't say for sure. In fact, if I pull the slide back, i can eventually get it to remain in the back position. The friction of the slide is greater than the strength of the recoil spring. Meaning i can get the slide to hold open without the slide lock in the up position. Also, i noticed the tip of my hammer appears slightly pitted, like it's a poor casting and/or finish. Not sure if that is normal. I'll post a pic later. Again, I only have about 50 rounds of CCI SV through it, but got frustrated with all the fail to feeds i gave up. Maybe it needs more break-in time.

I think we are all looking forward to you're customer service report from S&W. I'm sure they will make it right. Please be sure to let us know how it was handled.

 

[FLY FIS]

It really is to bad that there are several out there having trouble with a really fun side arm. I also bought mine to use as a practice weapon, agreeably only for practice and not for defense or every day carry. Someone talked about learning to shoot, he and his wife, and that's why they got the 22. I say good choice!!!! You are starting out with a full size frame and learning how the weapon feels in hand and also how it feels when shooting. Staying with the M&P line is the right idea, especially to start off. If you decide to upgrade to a 9mm or 40 cal. the feel of the firearm will be the same. The difference will be in the recoil when shooting, but everything else is the same. Learn your weapon, understand your weapon. Cleaning your weapon is learning it and becoming familiar with it. We can only hope that we never have to use it in a life threatening situation, but if it happens you have to know your weapon to be effective. An old movie quote from Full Metal Jacket is meaningful:
This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

I say keep shooting and enjoy your freedom to be able to shoot!