Maddmax
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Makes a big difference when you don't mag dump the 15-22 and over heat the polymer parts. Makes a BIGGER difference if you use a higher grade ammo. The weapon is a weapon. NOT a toy to be beaten.
Groups at 100 yards
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Makes a big difference when you don't mag dump the 15-22 and over heat the polymer parts. Makes a BIGGER difference if you use a higher grade ammo. The weapon is a weapon. NOT a toy to be beaten.
MarkBrumbaugh
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Well, ****, I'm going to have to expect a lot more from mine. While I bought it for fun, I'm a stickler for accuracy. Hence my collection of super accurate pellet rifles and pistols. If I can't cover my Rem 700 groups with a quarter at 100, I'm seriously unhappy. What if anything have you done to your 15-22 in terms of trigger, optics scope mount, etc.
I was thinking the same thing but anyone can fake a picture so I need to see a video or I'm calling BS.
Just a thought, but if you want to shoot for the best possible group, you've got to go at it the right way. With iron sights, you need to use soot off a candle, etc. to blacken the sights as that will help get a better sight picture. Use the smaller aperture of the rear sight. Place your eye relative to the rear sight the same way for each shot. At least in my experience, a 6'O'Clock hold (pumpkin on the fence post) allows me a much greater degree of precision than does a center hold of a black front sight against a black bullseye.
Using a good scope greatly simplifies getting good results at relatively long range using any .22 LR rifle. As Jim Carmichael once opined, "You can't hit it if you can't see it." A scope w/ sufficient horsepower helps. As an example, I once took a Leupold 6.5x20 off a varmint rifle and put it on a Ruger 77/22. With the 4x scope that it commonly wore, I could get 10 shot groups at 100 yds. of 2.0 inches or maybe a little less. With the higher powered scope groups ran down to 1.5 inches and were much more consistent. When I blundered on some really nice Winchester T-22's, I even got a few groups that went into slightly less than an inch. It was a real shock to me as I'd not expected that rifle to do so well. When I took the Leupold off that rifle, the scope that replaced it was a nice little Weaver 2x7 Wideview. That combination was much better suited to use in the woods and fields. And, on the range, it would still produce very nice 10 shot groups at 50/100 yds. Cool.
Regardless of whether one uses iron sights or a scope, using good marksmanship techniques common to shooting any rifle for group/score are requisite to getting good groups. Unless one is really really an excellent marksman, shooting long strings of fire, i.e., 10, 15, 20, 30 rounds is really taxing. Shoot groups of 5 to 10 rounds. Look at the average of those groups as indication of what that particular rifle/ammo combination will produce on target. And obviously, use a broad variety of .22 LR ammunition in searching for the best possible on target results. There really is a difference in how different rifles shoot different brands of ammunition. And while the high grade target type ammunition typically produces good results, it is not uncommon to find garden grade and even bulk packed ammo that will produce excellent on target results with particular rifles. The above 77-22 produced some of it's best groups w/ Winchester T-22's. However often very similar results were obtained using Remington Thunderbolt .22's. Odd I know, but that's what happened.
From what I've read at this and other sites, the 15-22 does not produce the level of accuracy as might be expected from a tricked out 10-22. From my perspective, that's O.K. I bought the 15-22 because I wanted a AR-15 styled rifle in .22 LR caliber that I could afford to shoot. I had confidence in it because of it being a S&W product. So far, I have been very pleased with it. If I develop strong interest in shooting it at long range, I'll go about a development plan similar to what I'd do with any other rifle that I wanted to optimize for a particular use.
The above rambling is brought to you courtesy of a honking big 20 oz. cup of hot homemade coffee, a full night of sleep, my taxes being finished w/ nothing owed (!!!) and this being my (drum roll) off day! I take full responsibility for the opinion expressed. :-;
Using a good scope greatly simplifies getting good results at relatively long range using any .22 LR rifle. As Jim Carmichael once opined, "You can't hit it if you can't see it." A scope w/ sufficient horsepower helps. As an example, I once took a Leupold 6.5x20 off a varmint rifle and put it on a Ruger 77/22. With the 4x scope that it commonly wore, I could get 10 shot groups at 100 yds. of 2.0 inches or maybe a little less. With the higher powered scope groups ran down to 1.5 inches and were much more consistent. When I blundered on some really nice Winchester T-22's, I even got a few groups that went into slightly less than an inch. It was a real shock to me as I'd not expected that rifle to do so well. When I took the Leupold off that rifle, the scope that replaced it was a nice little Weaver 2x7 Wideview. That combination was much better suited to use in the woods and fields. And, on the range, it would still produce very nice 10 shot groups at 50/100 yds. Cool.
Regardless of whether one uses iron sights or a scope, using good marksmanship techniques common to shooting any rifle for group/score are requisite to getting good groups. Unless one is really really an excellent marksman, shooting long strings of fire, i.e., 10, 15, 20, 30 rounds is really taxing. Shoot groups of 5 to 10 rounds. Look at the average of those groups as indication of what that particular rifle/ammo combination will produce on target. And obviously, use a broad variety of .22 LR ammunition in searching for the best possible on target results. There really is a difference in how different rifles shoot different brands of ammunition. And while the high grade target type ammunition typically produces good results, it is not uncommon to find garden grade and even bulk packed ammo that will produce excellent on target results with particular rifles. The above 77-22 produced some of it's best groups w/ Winchester T-22's. However often very similar results were obtained using Remington Thunderbolt .22's. Odd I know, but that's what happened.
From what I've read at this and other sites, the 15-22 does not produce the level of accuracy as might be expected from a tricked out 10-22. From my perspective, that's O.K. I bought the 15-22 because I wanted a AR-15 styled rifle in .22 LR caliber that I could afford to shoot. I had confidence in it because of it being a S&W product. So far, I have been very pleased with it. If I develop strong interest in shooting it at long range, I'll go about a development plan similar to what I'd do with any other rifle that I wanted to optimize for a particular use.
The above rambling is brought to you courtesy of a honking big 20 oz. cup of hot homemade coffee, a full night of sleep, my taxes being finished w/ nothing owed (!!!) and this being my (drum roll) off day! I take full responsibility for the opinion expressed. :-;
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First and only time shooting at 100 yards. Stock iron sights from the bench with CCI standard velocity on a 6"X10" target. Front sight post completely covers the paper.
That's exactly the type of grouping I'd expect with iron sights at 100yds with "regular" ammo from a 15-22.
I'm highly skeptical of anyone suggesting they can put a "nickel or quarter sized grouping" at a 100yds with a scoped 15-22, let alone iron sights. That being said, I'm open to being convinced otherwise and learning from the guy or gal getting that kind of accuracy from a 15-22. Show me a picture of that tight of a group at 100yds (I'll give the poster the benefit of the doubt that its real) and help me with the secret to that type of accuracy. Even if I don't have the skill to shoot that well with my 15-22 I'm very open to learning more about being a better marksman.
Consider me still a skeptic that a 15-22 can shoot that accurately (nickel/quarter groupings) at 100yards.
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yugowego
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Maddmax
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Match grade. You shoot with the big boys,you shoot the $$$ stuff or stay home.
Maddmax
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I've always done my own trigger work. Optics are buis off a FS MSR that cost more than half of what the 15-22 did. NO scope. I have NEVER mag dumped the 15-22 and broke the POLYMERE rifle & barrel in nice and slow. No flash hider to dissipate any muzzle blast. And the barrel is as Free Floated as you can make a 15-22.
Maddmax
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It's the difference between a 5 year competitive shooter and a once every couple month Sat. afternoon plinker.
Post a target.
MarkBrumbaugh
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I've been shooting over a half century and can lay a dime over shots at 25 yards with a spring pellet rifle of suitable quality and scoped. I can lay a quarter over my deer rifle groups at 100 yards, handload, 4lb trigger, good optics, bench rested. But iron sights at 100 yards with a tactical plastic 22 LR...no way Jose for me anyway. Nor with good optics. I've only seen one other person out of the thousands that post here that claim to do better than 3 MOA.
So for the benefit of the OP, don't expect to be able to make your rifle do the kind of groups Maddmax can.
Jayhawkhuntclub
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My 15-22 shoots 2 MOA 3 shot groups, from sandbags with a 4x scope on a good day with CCI SV. I suppose it's possible that madmax got some amazing anomaly of a gun that is 1 MOA. It seems unlikely though. I have found over the years that one man's nickel size group is another man's silver dollar sized group. I don't say that as an accusation as I've never seen madmax shoot. I do say it as a general observation.
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Jayhawkhuntclub
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Anybody can post a great target. Of course you need to make sure you're far enough back that you don't leave any powder burns on the paper.
yugowego
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Anybody can post a great target. Of course you need to make sure you're far enough back that you don't leave any powder burns on the paper.
Youre not going to believe this but....
200yrds at night in a wind storm with open sights shooting a single pump air rifle
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I agree with yogowego.....Get me a video of you actually shooing these quarter sized groups a 100 yards........I am good with several rifles, but not that good without using a bench vice on a lead sled.
RedNeck Jim
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I don't shoot at 100 yards with my 15-22. I use my AR for that range & further. I had the understanding that this gun was not designed to shoot such groups at that range. Has anyone here put their gun in a vice & tried to see what is possible with the gun/ammo... if you take out the factor of the shooter?
Beuford T. Rimfire
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Just for clarity's sake, 1 MOA would be about 1/4" at 25 yards. Anyone here putting all your rounds through the same hole at 25 yards? (Consistently?)
If you're not at least doing the above, you can wave 1 MOA at 100 yards GOOD-BYE.
If you're not at least doing the above, you can wave 1 MOA at 100 yards GOOD-BYE.
Buckskinner
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Seriously, why are you guys feeding on what Madmax is putting in front of you???
