Don't bother me any. I learned to adapt to it. Some people refuse to adjust or learn anything new and then complain about it.
I can pick up most any hand gun and shoot it well. Most true gun guys can. No big deal.
SD9, the Glock killer
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Don't bother me any. I learned to adapt to it. Some people refuse to adjust or learn anything new and then complain about it.
I can pick up most any hand gun and shoot it well. Most true gun guys can. No big deal.
Aside from the fact it feels like you are shooting a 2x4 the grip angle is a huge part of pointing your firearm, sure you aim with the sights, however the further the sights are from alignment the more time it takes to aim. Every time I grab a glock and point it at a target the front sight is not in between the rear sight but hovering above them due to the grip angle. This forces me to hold my wrist at an odd angle to get the sights to line up. If you do not experience this that's good however not everyone is the same.
Other than that I just dislike the diehard Glock fanboys they are just annoying to the point I would never want to be lumped in with them.
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I like Glock. But I've never been a fanboy. Never will be. I'll admit there are nicer guns out there. I just like the fact that if I pick up a Glock. Its gonna work. Every time. Never had an issue with one. Are they pretty? No. Comfortable ? No. Fancy? No. Made of match grade material at tight specs? No.
Will it shoot straight. Yep. Will it go bang every time I pull the trigger? Yep. Can it take more abuse than 80% of guns? Yep. So in my op its in the top tier of guns.
With that being said.....there are better guns but there are a ton of guns that cannot and probably never will compete with it haha
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The SD9 represent a very good value in a nicely evolved design that is better than its predecessor (SWVE Series) as to trigger action. It is a very fine "light duty" pistol for the price.
That said, I would have to pick the Glock for defense. It has a better trigger, has been thoroughly proven in extended endurance testing and it is simply more reliable over the long haul.
That said, I would have to pick the Glock for defense. It has a better trigger, has been thoroughly proven in extended endurance testing and it is simply more reliable over the long haul.
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Don't get on here as much as I would like & comment even less but this has been good reading. I like my SD9ve a lot &the more I shoot it the more I like it. The fact that it was a S&W for $300 had a lot to do with why I picked it. IMHO the best $300 you could ever spend on a handgun.
I am going with the wife & others to the range. I will have a chance to shoot my sd9, the wife's m&p9c & my friend has a glock 9 not sure which one, but I will be thinking about a lot of what I read here.
I already know I can shoot the m&p a little better & should for $200 more. So I guess I will be looking to see if the glock is more like the SD or the m&p or better than both.
Again good conversation y'all , thanks : )
I am going with the wife & others to the range. I will have a chance to shoot my sd9, the wife's m&p9c & my friend has a glock 9 not sure which one, but I will be thinking about a lot of what I read here.
I already know I can shoot the m&p a little better & should for $200 more. So I guess I will be looking to see if the glock is more like the SD or the m&p or better than both.
Again good conversation y'all , thanks : )
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Don't bother me any. I learned to adapt to it. Some people refuse to adjust or learn anything new and then complain about it.
I can pick up most any hand gun and shoot it well. Most true gun guys can. No big deal.
I can shoot any handgun and shoot it well after a mag or two. I had a G19, G26 and G30SF. The G30 was thick, the G26 had the hump in an aggravating spot and the G19 was the best of the bunch. I don't like to chop, stipple or grind on frames. I mention that since the G19 would be a lot better if they would eliminate the finger grooves.
I've held and shot the G17 and that makes the front sight point high which is totally opposite of any Beretta, 1911, S&W, Sig, Ruger and other brands/models that I've owned. Most models of the Glock point high and are uncomfortable in the hand. Anyone claiming that does not mean they're not good shooters, it just means they have human hands. There's a reason why the G19 is the most popular out of all of their models.
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In the end this is the result.
You like what you like and I like what I like.
The Glock is a fine reliable handgun, just not for me.
Unfortunately there are so many fanboys that will tell anyone who they think might be listening that everything else is pure garbage. They couldnt be more wrong.
That is my only point
Given that the designs are so very similar I would like to know your thoughts on why a Glock will out last an SD if both are in good working order?
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Did airplane drop break anything? Not that I seen in that test. So that would mean it was still in good working order.
Has anyone tried dropping an SD out of an airplane? No, so that is not a fair comparison,since we dont know what the result would be.
And again given the similarities in the designs what makes you think an SD would not work after the same fall? is the steel softer? lower grade polymer? springs Made of weaker material than the Glock?
I would be happy to test that myself but a lack of pilots license or knowing any one who has one makes it a bit difficult.
As for the part in red
So if a glock had a broken spring and the SD had a broken spring the glock would work and the SD wouldnt?
Unless it a mag release spring or a extractor spring, Galloway precision sells every other spring needed for the SD. Trigger spring, firing pin block spring, striker spring, recoil assembly and Sear spring are all available.
But Yes the after market for glocks is massive. The track record also.
I just dont see the logic in thinking one would be more reliable when the two designs are almost exaclty the same mechanicly aside from the way the trigger interacts with the striker.
My SD9 is a tank. I'll put it up there with a glock for reliability. You can only tie 100%.
My biggest complaint is the obvious one, the trigger. The apex kit helps but did Smith and Wesson need to make it that long and heavy? Reminds me of something hammer fired which isn't something S&W should be trying to duplicate.
With that being said, I love my SD9. Feels great in my hands, the trigger isn't a problem once I got to be a better shooter, and it hasn't failed me once. Easily recommended.
My biggest complaint is the obvious one, the trigger. The apex kit helps but did Smith and Wesson need to make it that long and heavy? Reminds me of something hammer fired which isn't something S&W should be trying to duplicate.
With that being said, I love my SD9. Feels great in my hands, the trigger isn't a problem once I got to be a better shooter, and it hasn't failed me once. Easily recommended.
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I will believe the SD can keep up with glocks tortureablitly when its been beaten on the way Glock has. Airplane drop. Soak in the bearing sea for 2 years. Buried for 3 years. Shot with a .45 acp. 1 million round test. Put in a 500* oven for a day. Filled with mud. Frozen in a block of ice for 6 months......
Once the SD passes that it can be equal. Otherwise its like saying you could beat Marion Jones in a race......without actually doing it. If something wants to tie....it must walk the walk and not just "possibly" do something.
Glock holds the title for toughest gun... If something beats it I will I will admit that. Until then its just a maybe. Maybe doesnt count lol
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because the sd series has been around since 1982 and has premiered in so many movies such as die hard,blood diamond and rap videos that everyone thinks they're the best.Till a sd is dropped from a airplane,dropped in the ocean,and/or fired in a swamp.....you can't compare the two.Glocks have a reputation that is hard to beat but lets not forget the most successful propaganda campaign in history where the romans said the barbarians were the most crude and unsophisticated civilizations in history....although it was never true we still believe that they were to this day.lets not reach conclusions till the sd has gone through the same torture tests the glock has gone through,only then will you have an equal comparison.
So is it the metal, heat treating, the plastic, the springs what makes you think the SD would fail?
I agree it needs to be tested to find the real answer but I see no reason why it would fail any of the same tests given that the design is so similar.
Its a legit question and until I see an answer that has do with with materials used or something done during the build process I have no doubts that a SD in good working order will last just as long as a Glock in good working order.
I agree it needs to be tested to find the real answer but I see no reason why it would fail any of the same tests given that the design is so similar.
Its a legit question and until I see an answer that has do with with materials used or something done during the build process I have no doubts that a SD in good working order will last just as long as a Glock in good working order.
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But will an SD in bad working order last as long as a glock in bad working order. Being submerged in the bearing sea for 2 years constitutes as bad working order
she was hella rusty when she came out, very rusty. She still went bang. I've also seen a glock with a buldged barrel used in a GSSF match. It won lol Thats the thing with glock. Unless its exploded, it will still work. I've seen glocks with cracked barrels, frames, slides......they still shoot accurately for at least 5 rounds........Now thats enough to save your life. So its proof enough for me
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