panther
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As others have said, I'm glad you're okay. I've gotten a little lazy about wearing shooting glasses lately, that won't happen again.
I'm sure S&W will take care of you.
I'm sure S&W will take care of you.
Shield 40 Mishap
- Thread starter 2001gmc
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jwalts27
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Unfortunatly you may have to wait 4 weeks. my dad waited 5 weeks to get his Shield back after the safety recall they had. One of my friends works at S&W and he said they are backed up like crazy. The Performance Center is out 3-5 mths right now.
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2001gmc
Member
I don't mind waiting. I just hope after waiting that long they make it right.
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2001gmc
Member
Reply From Federal
Got this from Federal today on the remaining ammo from the box of HP's I was using.
We appreciate you taking the time to contact us and give us feedback on our products as we use customer feedback to improve our products. We have received the 40SWA ammunition that you recently sent to us.
Examination of the 40SWA that we received has shown that it met all federal cartridge company and industry dimensional specifications.
We then fired the ammunition to test pressure and velocity and found that your ammunition had an average pressure of 32874 PSI and an average velocity of974 FPS. The max pressure for this round is 35,000 PSI and the average velocity of this round is 985 FPS. This ammunition fell within the specifications for this round. This leads us to the conclusion that this was an isolated incident and could be the result of a comparability issue between the ammunition and the firearm. If this happens again in the future we recommend having the firearm checked out by a certified gun smith.
Since we at Federal Cartridge Company do value you as a customer, we would like to compensate you for your frustration. We will be sending you a box of replacement ammunition as compensation for the ammunition you returned and your shipping and handling.
Again, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. If we can be of further assistance to you, please feel free to contact us.
Federal Premium
Product Service Dept.
Got this from Federal today on the remaining ammo from the box of HP's I was using.
We appreciate you taking the time to contact us and give us feedback on our products as we use customer feedback to improve our products. We have received the 40SWA ammunition that you recently sent to us.
Examination of the 40SWA that we received has shown that it met all federal cartridge company and industry dimensional specifications.
We then fired the ammunition to test pressure and velocity and found that your ammunition had an average pressure of 32874 PSI and an average velocity of974 FPS. The max pressure for this round is 35,000 PSI and the average velocity of this round is 985 FPS. This ammunition fell within the specifications for this round. This leads us to the conclusion that this was an isolated incident and could be the result of a comparability issue between the ammunition and the firearm. If this happens again in the future we recommend having the firearm checked out by a certified gun smith.
Since we at Federal Cartridge Company do value you as a customer, we would like to compensate you for your frustration. We will be sending you a box of replacement ammunition as compensation for the ammunition you returned and your shipping and handling.
Again, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. If we can be of further assistance to you, please feel free to contact us.
Federal Premium
Product Service Dept.
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2001gmc
Member
Will Smith want the original box back and the 6rnd mag and all the con tense? I only used the 6 round mag 2 times and didn't like it I always used the 7rnd extended mag for the grip.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Most likely they will only want the gun. They generally tell people to put it in the carry box it came with and send it. They rarely ask for the mags.
But, that's only speculation from me. S&W will tell you what they want when you call them.
But, that's only speculation from me. S&W will tell you what they want when you call them.
OP
2001gmc
Member
Well they've had the gun for 12 days but I still got all this stuff here.
FreakingStang
Member
Glad you are ok and hope it was just a fluke. I never have liked the .40 round. I bought my shield 9mm after getting a great deal and having to send my xds in for the recall.
I haven't shot the 9c but the shield is comfortable,same size as what you had and you can shoot it all day at the range and not feel like your hand is going to fall off like other small single stack 9 and 380's these days.
I haven't shot the 9c but the shield is comfortable,same size as what you had and you can shoot it all day at the range and not feel like your hand is going to fall off like other small single stack 9 and 380's these days.
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2001gmc
Member
Yea I'm leaning towards the 9c or the Shield 9.
Rick_A
Member
I have seen people do terrible things to guns in trying to install their own sights...
That said the caliber doesn't matter. Guns of any type or caliber can blow up with bad ammo.
mguyf86
Member
wow happy your alright!!!! i have to get back into wearing glasses my self!! i just purchased a shield 40 yesterday and this is scaring me!!! hope we get more info!!!!! thanks for the updates!
FreakingStang
Member
I don't understand the 40 S&W round bashing.
This gun clearly shows the cartridge was ignited before it was fully in the barrel. The resulting explosion tore through the unsupported case and ripped the gun apart.
That has nothing to do with how much pressure the round has, or how thick or thin the barrel is. It has nothing to do with how much powder was in the cartridge, or 'double charged'. Can you double charge a 40? I don't load them so I don't know. Many rounds are full of powder with a single charge so doubling them is impossible.
I wish you luck resolving this, and I know I wouldn't be able to trust the gun again.
If you still want a 40, the compacts are nice. Or if S&W is really generous, ask for a M&P 45 compact... With night sights.... and a trigger job....
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.40s SUCK - YouTube
FreakingStang, you state that '40 sucks' and reference a video to support your claim.
The video you reference classes the 9mm and the 45 ACP as 'low pressure' rounds. The following max pressure figures are from Wikipedia:
9mm max pressure: 34,084 psi (9mm +P = 38,000 psi)
45 ACP max pressure: 21,000 psi
Compared to the 9mm the 45 ACP is certainly 'low pressure'. With the exception of your video, I have never heard anyone using 'low pressure' and '9mm' in the same sentence.
The presenter despises the 40 S&W because it's a 'high pressure' round. Seems to me that there isn't much difference between the 9mm and the 40 S&W. Notice that the 9mm +P exceeds the 40 S&W max pressure by 3,000 psi. Hmmm.
40 S&W max pressure: 35,000 psi
If you're comfortable with the 9mm generating in excess of 15 tons of pressure inches from your irreplaceable digits, why would you be wary of the 40 S&W generating the same or less psi?
The infamous 'KABOOM' has been associated with the 40 S&W while it should have been properly attributed to the unsupported chamber common to the Glock pistol.
My bet is that the OP's pistol had either a faulty barrel (metallurgy) or an improperly cut chamber. Don't think we'll ever find out as that admission would leave the door open for some serious litigation.
The video you reference classes the 9mm and the 45 ACP as 'low pressure' rounds. The following max pressure figures are from Wikipedia:
9mm max pressure: 34,084 psi (9mm +P = 38,000 psi)
45 ACP max pressure: 21,000 psi
Compared to the 9mm the 45 ACP is certainly 'low pressure'. With the exception of your video, I have never heard anyone using 'low pressure' and '9mm' in the same sentence.
The presenter despises the 40 S&W because it's a 'high pressure' round. Seems to me that there isn't much difference between the 9mm and the 40 S&W. Notice that the 9mm +P exceeds the 40 S&W max pressure by 3,000 psi. Hmmm.
40 S&W max pressure: 35,000 psi
If you're comfortable with the 9mm generating in excess of 15 tons of pressure inches from your irreplaceable digits, why would you be wary of the 40 S&W generating the same or less psi?
The infamous 'KABOOM' has been associated with the 40 S&W while it should have been properly attributed to the unsupported chamber common to the Glock pistol.
My bet is that the OP's pistol had either a faulty barrel (metallurgy) or an improperly cut chamber. Don't think we'll ever find out as that admission would leave the door open for some serious litigation.
Rastoff
US Veteran
James Yeager has an opinion that is not based on real facts, but his own feelings. He is not an engineer or even a technician. I'm sure he's a decent self defense teacher, but he knows little about the physics behind a gun.
Further, to say you don't like "high pressure" rounds when talking about a handgun tells me you know little about the pressures developed in guns. I'll bet that the same guys who don't like the .40S&W or .357Sig love the AR-15. That's funny because the AR in 5.56 developed pressures twice that of the .40S&W. Further, the chamber of the AR is held much closer to your face than you ever would a handgun. So, the claim about holding a high pressure round close to your face falls flat.
Further, to say you don't like "high pressure" rounds when talking about a handgun tells me you know little about the pressures developed in guns. I'll bet that the same guys who don't like the .40S&W or .357Sig love the AR-15. That's funny because the AR in 5.56 developed pressures twice that of the .40S&W. Further, the chamber of the AR is held much closer to your face than you ever would a handgun. So, the claim about holding a high pressure round close to your face falls flat.
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Smithsrevenge
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I don't understand the 40 S&W round bashing.
This gun clearly shows the cartridge was ignited before it was fully in the barrel. The resulting explosion tore through the unsupported case and ripped the gun apart.
That has nothing to do with how much pressure the round has, or how thick or thin the barrel is. It has nothing to do with how much powder was in the cartridge, or 'double charged'. Can you double charge a 40? I don't load them so I don't know. Many rounds are full of powder with a single charge so doubling them is impossible.
I wish you luck resolving this, and I know I wouldn't be able to trust the gun again.
If you still want a 40, the compacts are nice. Or if S&W is really generous, ask for a M&P 45 compact... With night sights.... and a trigger job....
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I agree on the .40 bashing. Its not just .40 that does this. If it wasnt for my jackson nemesis safety sun glasses I would be blind after a .22lr went kboom inside my S&R 22 bolt. Was laying prone taking scope shots at about 200 yards to a target on a steel barrel. Got 7 rounds in out of the 10 in the tube. Then I fired a round , got a flash, face felt really hot and the breech face of the bolt was torn apart.
It happens in all calibers, Seems gun related to me.
1fly2ty
Member
Find a product defect attorney, take it to him and let him deal with both S&W and the ammo manufacturer. not only will you wind up with a new firearm, you will probably get some financial renumeration for the shock and awe you received when it blew up. Seriously I had a guy bring me an AR that blew up, and I had to order him a new upper and BCG, and he was shooting factory ammo. When I got it out the case was still attached to the bolt and the upper was bulged, I tried to get him to call an attorney but he said just fix it. He did call both partys the ammo manufacturer and the rifle manufacturer and after 1 call they each blamed the other and they never called him back again! I would call S&W but I would not send them the gun, once they have have it if they figure out its their problem, they will offer you a new gun at reduced cost,and you didn't do anything wrong. Why should you have to pay anything, thats why an attorney is important, and they will get their fee from S&W settlement, not your pocket.
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2001gmc
Member
I really don't want to take things this far. I will be happy with a replacement gun and they done told me that's what will happen one way or the other. If they don't replace it I will go from there.
FreakingStang
Member
I never said 40 sucks. I just posted the YouTube video. I personally don't like the 40 round from recoil and target reacquisition aspects. From shooting both I believe the pressure is greater on the 40. Cross sectional area comes into play, it might be the same actual pressure but the instantaneous to set of a round 25% bigger diameter is a lot higher.
The pressure curve on a 40 is a lot more spike then a standard bell of 9mm. Here is a thread from here a couple years ago.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/130108-40-s-w-pressure.html
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