Glock doesn't have a takedown lever other than dry fire accident. Not me
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Rastoff
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There are several mistakes here:
It is an unfortunate design flaw that you have to pull the trigger to disassemble the Glock. The M&P can be taken down using the same method however, I never do that to avoid just this kind of ND.
- He wasn't handling the gun as though it were loaded.
- He was covering something with the muzzle he didn't want to destroy.
- He had his finger on the trigger when he didn't intend to shoot.
It is an unfortunate design flaw that you have to pull the trigger to disassemble the Glock. The M&P can be taken down using the same method however, I never do that to avoid just this kind of ND.
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+1 post #2.....I carried, trained with & instructed Glocks for years, as well as Sigs, Smith's, HK's and Berettas..... I have seen people do dumb things with all of them.....blaming the firearm for someone's violating basic weapon handling protocol doesn't excuse them of negligent gun handling.
+1 post #2.....I carried, trained with & instructed Glocks for years, as well as Sigs, Smith's, HK's and Berettas..... I have seen people do dumb things with all of them.....blaming the firearm for someone's violating basic weapon handling protocol doesn't excuse them of negligent gun handling.
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This. Your brain and booger hook (Finger) are the two most important safeties when handling any firearm.
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If he was dry firing to take down, then he DID intend to pull the trigger. Guess that would make it all the more dumb to have his hand in front of the barrel. I have to dry fire my Ruger to take it down. Can't imagine pulling the trigger with my hand in front of the barrel, even after I've checked (twice) to make sure it's unloaded.
Marshall 357
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This is a lack of training...and basic firearm safety.What part of make sure your gun is not loaded and keep it pointed in a safe direction did he not understand.
After I retired a good friend took over my firearms instructor slot. Some time afterwards he advised me that one of the agents (whom I did not know) managed to fire a round from his Beretta .40 through the palm of his hand.
When I asked how bad the agent's injuries were, he replied, "Well, when he holds M&Ms in his hand they fall through the bottom".
When I asked how bad the agent's injuries were, he replied, "Well, when he holds M&Ms in his hand they fall through the bottom".
We all know the Four Rules of gun safety.
Rule #1 is always "Treat all guns as if they are loaded, all the time".
When I teach these rules, I change that one to "There is NO SUCH THING as an unloaded gun".
I don't care if I've checked it and double checked it, as I always do, and I KNOW there are no cartridges in it.....
it is still fully loaded.
I've never had an accident.
Jim
Rule #1 is always "Treat all guns as if they are loaded, all the time".
When I teach these rules, I change that one to "There is NO SUCH THING as an unloaded gun".
I don't care if I've checked it and double checked it, as I always do, and I KNOW there are no cartridges in it.....
it is still fully loaded.
I've never had an accident.
Jim
duppie
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I am practically obsessive when it comes to clearing my guns...even in a lane checking my shot placement I dump the mag clear the round and lock the slide back..... cleaning. the mags and rounds stay in my range bag and even then I clear twice.
Too much? perhaps, but RO's and both my hands seem to appreciate my obsessiveness.
Too much? perhaps, but RO's and both my hands seem to appreciate my obsessiveness.
kbm6893
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One of the reasons I don't like striker fired guns, and Glocks especially, and I've owned two Glocks.
We can all repeat the gun safety rules as long as we'd like, but the fact is we ARE human, and humans make mistakes, and the Glock design is less forgiving of human error than other guns.
Which is why I like the S&W 3rd gen's. External hammer to cover when holstering makes it impossible to have an ND when holstering. Safety. Mag disconnect. The NYPD authorizes three guns, a SIG 226, the S&W 5946, and the Glock 19. At the time I retired, EVERY reported ND was with the Glock.
We can all repeat the gun safety rules as long as we'd like, but the fact is we ARE human, and humans make mistakes, and the Glock design is less forgiving of human error than other guns.
Which is why I like the S&W 3rd gen's. External hammer to cover when holstering makes it impossible to have an ND when holstering. Safety. Mag disconnect. The NYPD authorizes three guns, a SIG 226, the S&W 5946, and the Glock 19. At the time I retired, EVERY reported ND was with the Glock.
We all make mistakes, a Human Performance Fact; however events are predictable, manageable and Preventable. This didn't have to happen. Glocks are not the only firearm where careless mistakes happen.
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Blame the shooter, not the gun. My training with a semi was that it's not unloaded until you lock the slide back and LOOK down thru the ejection port and the grip. After you are certain that you see nothing in the ejection port and grip you then direct your gaze to the chamber and barrel. If the chamber appears clear you can then either take a penlight and shine it down the barrel or drop a pencil into the muzzle end of the barrel so that it can hit the breech face. Do that and you can consider that firearm to be empty as long as you keep the firearm and magazine separated.
BTW, I prefer a Streamlight Stylus penlight because you can poke it in the chamber and shine the light thru the barrel to light up anything in the area that is "safe to destroy". This can be a real timesaver at the range if you think you may have shot a squib into the barrel.
BTW, I prefer a Streamlight Stylus penlight because you can poke it in the chamber and shine the light thru the barrel to light up anything in the area that is "safe to destroy". This can be a real timesaver at the range if you think you may have shot a squib into the barrel.
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I work in a LGS in NJ- when I sell a Glock the first thing I teach them is to disassemble/reassemble the gun- During this instruction I tell them to stick their pinkie finger in the chamber to make sure the thing isn't loaded before they go any further- It is not the gun's fault this happened- the shooter broke 3 of the 4 basic safety rules....
kbm6893
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Agreed. They just happen more often with Glocks. Sure, accidents are preventable, but how many here have banged their thumb with a hammer? Gotten into a fender bender? Try as we might, we are NOT perfect. Truth is, some of the most experienced shooters get so suprememly confident that they screw up.
Pulling the trigger to disassemble a firearm is a bad idea. I had an M&P Shield. Never pulled the trigger to strip it.
That ought to buff right out.
When we go to LEOSA certification everyone is required to field strip the Glock (or anything else) on the firing line, muzzle downrange, at the conclusion of qualification. If you search negligent or accidental discharge you'll find an interesting site documenting these cases. Before everyone jumps on semi autos we had cases of ND w/revolvers at my former agency too.
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I was at a range qualification once and had an eye opening experience. We where doing a lot of mag changes and switching on the firing line. I was shooting an old 3rd gen and thought I had felt something funny in the trigger. The training officer checked it out and said "show the chief". I went to him with the pistol, racked the slide just before I handed it to him to cock the hammer, (not a bobbed hammer) and a round shot out the top!!
I swore to my self I had cleared that pistol, only thing that would have saved me from an accident would have been the mag safety. I consider myself pretty good around guns, butt this sent chills up my spine. I had the pistol aimed in a safe direction but good lord, what if the chief of police went to check my trigger and a live round went off?
Moral of the story, never forget safety and always check three times before handing off to someone else. TD
I swore to my self I had cleared that pistol, only thing that would have saved me from an accident would have been the mag safety. I consider myself pretty good around guns, butt this sent chills up my spine. I had the pistol aimed in a safe direction but good lord, what if the chief of police went to check my trigger and a live round went off?
Moral of the story, never forget safety and always check three times before handing off to someone else. TD
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ALL GOOD POINTS
YES the owners fault not the gun. The only things I might add that others touched on, is don't trust a quick peek with ONLY your eyes to check clear. Don't trust the extractor either. A broken/faulty extractor will leave a round in the chamber no matter how many times you operate the slide/lever/bolt Eyes especially older ones can miss a round in the chamber and the eyes tend to tell the brain what the brain wants to hear. How many of us have stared at a stump or bush at dawn/dusk that we would have sworn was a deer?
YES the owners fault not the gun. The only things I might add that others touched on, is don't trust a quick peek with ONLY your eyes to check clear. Don't trust the extractor either. A broken/faulty extractor will leave a round in the chamber no matter how many times you operate the slide/lever/bolt Eyes especially older ones can miss a round in the chamber and the eyes tend to tell the brain what the brain wants to hear. How many of us have stared at a stump or bush at dawn/dusk that we would have sworn was a deer?
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This looks to be more like a "wet fire accident"...hopefully the shooter has no permanent muscle, nerve or vascular damage.
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