I Find this Really Annoying (Discussion With An Anti)

[Smoke]

I'm sure you all know there was a shooting in Colorado today. A friend of mine posted about it on Facebook, she got a few posts about how said it was and then someone posted that we need to get "reasonable" gun laws.

I responded to that post. I knew I was only going to get one shot so I thought hard about what I was going to say.

I ended up saying that it wasn't the gun that was at fault it was the kid who decided to commit murder. Then I pointed out that four people were stabbed last nigh in Denver and that no one was calling for "reasonable" knife laws and I said that I was really grieved for the families involved but that I was also afraid because every time something like this happens the government's first response is to try to disarm the law abiding.

I closed by stating that I honestly believed that if the government ever succeeded in disarming the populace the rest of our freedoms would fall like dominos.

So my friend responded by saying she didn't want to debate guns and that we just needed to pray for the families (IOW shut up Smoke) and the very person that started the "debate" posted "Amen Julie you're absolutely right."

What I got out of the exchange is that even though the other person started the discussion I was somehow at fault for voicing my opinion. I had to log out of FB because I knew that if I tried to explain this there all I'd get is blocked by my "friend".

I felt like the kid that pointed out the emperor had no clothes but instead of admitting that I was right the people beat me up for pointing it out.

 

[Robotech]

An all too typical reaction by those who come unarmed to a debate is to is the yell, "Shut up and go away!"

They already know that they can't back up their position logically or with real facts. Their only choices are to try to make up "facts", or to get you to go away.

What they don't realize is that by telling you to leave, they're saying that you've already won. Take it in that light, and don't stress out over it.

 

[shaggist]

I believe this is a perfect example of a 'friend' that isn't. How can you be 'friends' with someone you have never met or seen face to face? You have no idea of their background, education, philosophical or religious beliefs, or whether they have bad breath or not. Then, when you post an opinion, which is a questionable act, as you are basically asking for acceptance or rejection of whatever you wrote by total strangers, why do you get your feelings hurt when someone disagrees with you? The better course of action would be to not post anything that will allow others to judge you by what you say. The best course would be to resign from Facebook and develop some real flesh and blood friends who are in agreement with you and your beliefs. Then, you can agree or agree to disagree without feeling like you have been betrayed and can't do anything about it. Facebook is silly and you only get what you deserve by involving yourself with it.

 

[blujax01]

Smoke, I had the same sort of problems when I joined FB. Silly me, thinking it was a forum for discussion and debate. I guess I'm too used to this place.

FB is great for keeping in touch with family and friends when you want to see pictures of the new Grandchildren or share a joke, but anytime I've attempted to have a "real" conversation, I got ignored or the conversation was deflected.

You can either agree with, ignore, or block someone's "wall". But you'll drive yourself nuts taking that place seriously.

But if you have a twisted sense of humor, you need to visit "Elf On The Shelf, Elves Gone Wild"'s Page - people are doing some wholly inappropriate things with that stupid doll!

 

[williamlayton]

First and formost----you aint gonna change anybody's mind !
Second---and almost as important---say what you got to say and do not personalize the responses.
First rules of Apologetics.
Blessings

 

[johngalt]

Most people are ruled by emotion, not logic. They don't understand the consequences of their reactionary, knee-jerk answers to every event they see.

An example: after 9/11, my sister was upset, scared, furious etc. She went on how the govt "must do something", mostly involving turning the country into a police state like we have now. Today, she is disgusted at what the country has turned into. But it was impossible to have a rational discussion back then.

 

[Smoke]

I believe this is a perfect example of a 'friend' that isn't. How can you be 'friends' with someone you have never met or seen face to face?

I agree with you but in this case I grew up with this girl, I lived right down the street from her, I had a major crush on her growing up, I knew her most of my life until I left Omaha. We lost track of one another until I found her on facebook.

My experiences over the years made me an ultra conservative where she is uber liberal but she is still my friend.

It's not really her I'm mad at it's the other one who started the "debate"

 

[RobertJ.]

Facebook is silly and you only get what you deserve by involving yourself with it.

I could not agree more! I was on it briefly, and came to that same conclusion, only "silly" was the extremely nice way of putting it.

I know people who are on it practically every waking minute, and I just don't get it!

When I deleted my FB page, I had over 100 "friends", yet there was only a small handful that I felt the need to tell personally that they hadn't been "de-friended"!

 

[Arik]

My opinion is .....I can be, and am, friends with different people from different backgrounds and different beliefs. I have no problems with that. I have Muslim friends, friends who are pro gun but way to Christian for my liking, friends who are atheists like me but don't like guns, some are too conservative others to liberal. It's all good. I don't mind it one bit as long as I know that person. I know which friends I can debate with and angerly argue with and curse at one moment and happily switch topics and go drinking together the next moment. We all like each others company dispite the differences. Other friends are more casual. I like to see once a month or so to catch up with an all but they are not what I would call close friends.



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[lonejacklarry]

I understand your consternation, Smoke. Your "friend" does not want realistic solutions but is maintaining the party line of gun control for the masses ending w/ eventual confiscation. That is her solution and she does not want to hear anything but total agreement.

Keep in mind that this shooting episode, while tragic, will not be newsworthy long: not a mass shooting, not a loner w/ psychological problems that were ignored, and the most important is that he used a shotgun and not an "assault rifle" (whatever that is).

Facebook? Nope. I waste too much time on this forum and a couple of hot rod forums.

 

[Kanewpadle]

I don't discuss important issues with stupid people. Waste of time.

 

[DeadAye]

I too believe that we need *reasonable* gun laws.

Step 1. Refer to the second amendment to The Constitution of The United States of America.

There ya go - A reasonable gun law -and- it's already on the books.

Problem solved.

 

[timn8er]

I've said it before & I'll say it again: this Forum is the closest I want to get to a "facebook or facebook like" experience. While there are disagreements from time to time, such as semis vs wheel guns, open vs concealed carry, etc...The vast percentage of us are here because of a common ground: Our love of Smith & Wesson firearms. I can respect you & your opinion & still disagree, & I would expect the same from you. I don't "discuss" guns with anti's, I don't have the time for that. I know I won't change their minds, & they aren't going to change mine, so its pointless.

 

[Arik]

While I don't have a Facebook account I'm beginning to rethink that. Over the Thanksgiving holiday my LGS had an awesome deal on some very high quality AKs. To automatically have one on hold all you had to do was "Like" them on Facebook. I don't have Facebook and if I wanted to buy one I would need to fork over another $150 and that would still be an ok price

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[Grayfox]

Your first mistake was being on Facebook at all.
Your second mistake was caring about what these idiots think.

 

[PatAz]

Facebook is a total waste of time.

 

[jaykellogg]

It's not really her I'm mad at it's the other one who started the "debate"

There was no debate until you chimed in. The other person's post apparently was welcome and yours was not.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F Buckley

 

[cmort666]

First and formost----you aint gonna change anybody's mind !

The odds are overwhelming that you're not going to change the "mind" of a "movement" anti-gunner. Facts and even mere truth are anathema to them. They just want to put their feet on the back of somebody's neck.

On the other hand, if you factually disprove them, and especially if you show them up for liars, you will change the minds of others. If you don't challenge them, and publicly, THEIR narrative is the ONLY one anyone will here.

That having been said, I've never had, don't have and never will have a Facebook account. I haven't the slightest desire to tell total strangers where I am at any given moment or what my "status" is, nor do I have ANY intererest in what their cat did yesterday.

 

[feralmerril]

I must live a sheltered life. I cant really recall knowing any anti gunners. Even living in california for 40 years I hardly knew any democrats! I dont know any democrats or anti gunners here in utah. Yeah, I have seen a few bumper stickers driving through town. When the potus was elected both times I couldnt belive it as everyone I knew well enough to know claimed to be republican.
How can all that be? Well all my co workers in my working life seemed to be like me political speaking, with just a few exceptions. I was nothing but a lowly night watchman. But the majority of my co workers were ex retired military and leo. Thats what they hired and were drawn to that type work. All my personal close friends liked what I liked, shooting etc, and seemed to be pretty close to my political and religious beliefs.
The churchs I attended from a kid up the members seemed to be all republican types, gun people, most hunted and fished and usualy the preachers were avid hunters and fishermen too. Especialy in rual wisconsin where I was raised.
Evidently we associate with circles of people that think like we do.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Why do we become so upset with people who disagree with us?. There are two things we can't do anything about, the weather and other peoples opinions. What to do? Speak the truth as we see it and move on. If I got upset at everyone with a different view than mine I'd be on meds 24/7. Take a deep breath and let it go. It's not our job to enlighten the world and have it conform to our view.