harvester1
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Midway used to be my go to place but last couple years the special fees, stopping FFL dealer pricing, and couple other similar issues have really reduced my business with them.
Midway welches on Backorder!
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I don't care what the excuse is. If a seller quotes a price for an item, he should honor that price. If he is sitting on a million of the same item in his warehouse, and is not shipping because his price went up, that's unfair business practice. It is possible this is what happened. Just take your loss on a few of the items and deliver them, and treat your customers honestly. JMHO A man's word used to mean something.
Opie
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I bought from Midway for about 20 years. I placed a backorder for brass in Nov. 2012. They canceled the order mid-2013. It wasn't that the item was discontinued. They were still offering the exact same item under a different SKU. They basically said I was SOL. They "couldn't" add me to the BO list for the other SKU. I wasn't asking them to deliver my order. I just wanted them to honor my order in the order it was received once they started receiving stock. It sucks to be kicked to the end of someone else's line when you thought Midway would honor the backorder. Anyone scrounging for reloading components lately should understand.
I have had powder on BO with Sinclair's for about a year. Their policy is to never cancel a backorder. They periodically ask for confirmation that you want to keep the BO open.
I don't care if the price of a backordered item goes up once in stock. I really don't like getting kicked out when I think I'm in line to get served.
I have had powder on BO with Sinclair's for about a year. Their policy is to never cancel a backorder. They periodically ask for confirmation that you want to keep the BO open.
I don't care if the price of a backordered item goes up once in stock. I really don't like getting kicked out when I think I'm in line to get served.
ArchAngelCD
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This is one of the things wrong with America these days! Something is on backorder 16 months! and because a seller cancels that 16 month backorder the buyer actually wants to file a class action suit which could possibly drive them out of business. All over a bullet order that's 16 month old!!
ME ME ME, I didn't get my bullets so the heck with all those people working at Midway. Who cares if they lose their job and their families are hurt, I didn't get my bullets! WOW, what a sad statement of how people act nowadays. Very sad...
IMHO this thread is embarrassing and should be locked!
SgtLumpy
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That would be great.
Then thousands of people, including many who have never even done business with Smilin' Larry, would get a check for seven dollars. The law firm would earn a couple million. And Larry's company would have to shell out several million to pay for it all, therefore increasing their prices even more.
Yeah. That's a wonderful solution to "Waaaah I didn't get my bullets"
Sgt Lumpy
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I order from 'midway only when I am spending over a hundred bucks. At least then the handling fee and shipping don't make it unreasonable.
HorizontalMike
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I just received my first Midway order this week, and actually spent ~$1,800, but still have "back-orders" on brass and "notifications" on powder in place. I agree
that it is wise to make sure your orders are sizable enough to minimize S&H costs (and HazMat Fees).As far as Midway "welching" on back-orders, I also agree that 16-months is a long time. Though I also wonder about the practice of re-labeling the same merchandise with new SKUs. Sounds like the kind of thing that Farmer's Insurance Co. did on my homeowner's policy when I found out I had a higher level of fire protection (should have lowered premiums). They doubled my rates and required me to have a "NEW" policy, stating they no longer "...wrote those kinds of policies in my State..."
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I think that the closure of the last smelting plant as of January 1st and that most remanufactured ammo companies have not been able to reproduce ammo in any type of quantity due to a shortage in components is your answer. Whatever lead is available and stock piled is going to the big boys and they aren't going to get the product in to fill your order period. I always told my friends not to worry about them getting your guns but they can make life miserable to feed them!
I just read an article in one of the gun mags...... ammo companies didn't use that last smelting co. that just closed... The huge number of new gun owners and the panic by existing gun owners has sucked up all the ammo and manufacturers just can't keep up with the demand.. oh, and the gov didn't order any more ammo than what they usually order..
smokey04
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The only time I remember ordering something from Midway that went on back order was about a year ago. I wanted a .45 ACP Mountain Gun and couldn't find one. Then I found out that Midway had the barrels so I ordered one. It came back as a back order. Their estimate was like 4 months from S&W.Three weeks later I received the barrel. Wow! I was impressed but Midway dropped the item as they could no longer get the barrels in a timely manner . Sorry,but I have no axe to grind on Larrys backside. Still, I understand the frustration. I think maybe the solution is all back orders automatically cancel after 3 [or whatever] months. The way prices increase these days I don't see how a company could stay in business selling a the price quoted 3 or 4 months earlier. Nick
gmiller0737
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It's simple for Me I just don't Backorder anything ever if Midway does not have what I want I just look elsewhere.
philconrad
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Same here. I only use them if no one else has what I am looking for.
venomballistics
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This is an issue where frustration is shared with equal abundance among all parties.
we get bent out of shape on back orders.
retailers get hosed with the same and price increases forcing them to eat it or cancel it, neither set well in business.
meanwhile on the manufacturing end there's some minion getting reamed a few new ones because over taxed machinery botched a run.
add downtime to repair the presses and wait for parts, possibly one off parts because the press manufacturer went under years ago and its assets were moved to China.
now once they have THAT resolved, there's the materials they have to wait on because we have yet to invent a supersonic cargo ship. Guess where the foundry is ... its not here in the states.
any shipped order is a small miracle
we get bent out of shape on back orders.
retailers get hosed with the same and price increases forcing them to eat it or cancel it, neither set well in business.
meanwhile on the manufacturing end there's some minion getting reamed a few new ones because over taxed machinery botched a run.
add downtime to repair the presses and wait for parts, possibly one off parts because the press manufacturer went under years ago and its assets were moved to China.
now once they have THAT resolved, there's the materials they have to wait on because we have yet to invent a supersonic cargo ship. Guess where the foundry is ... its not here in the states.
any shipped order is a small miracle
The closing of the "last" smelting plant has absolutely nothing, Nada, to do with ammo production. Nor anything to do with Midway or other online retailers.
All lead use for bullets comes from recycled sources (car batteries) or China
The smelter only took raw ore from the ground and took out the lead. All the lead used in the USA is already out and about, we do not mine any raw lead , no need to.
All lead use for bullets comes from recycled sources (car batteries) or China
The smelter only took raw ore from the ground and took out the lead. All the lead used in the USA is already out and about, we do not mine any raw lead , no need to.
venomballistics
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There may not be an immediate need to mine for lead. thats not the point. Most of lead being recycled is done so in China.
most of our other materials are also off shore sources, largely China.
Lets say you need a truck load of spooled brass. It might be in a warehouse, and if it is, you'll see it in a week. thing is, those warehouses are picked dry meaning theres a slow boat in China being loaded up which will take some time.
once it is loaded and cleared to embark across the Pacific. that'll take more time.
When it arrives, figure a week to offload and another week to get it trucked to the distributor who will then reship it to you, our cartridge case manufacturer.
We are talking months when you add it up, and that can get awfully hard to plan around.
at one point this past year, I needed some plastic. A fairly common commodity without the issues of high demand metals.
five weeks till I had it.
That was enough for me to put an idea on the back burner.
brass, copper and lead ... OMG ... I can only speculate the nightmares involved with not just one, but three commodities in very high demand.
BlueOvalBandit
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Do you really expect any company to keep a backoeder on their books from Sept. 2012 until after Jan 2014? Really? IMO you are the one being unreasonable. BTW, these threads only bring out those who have a beef with the company in question and they pile-on. Really, backorderd for 16 months and you want that backorder kept active???Not many companies would keep the order on their books for 360 days, most are canceled well before that and with good reason.
You sir, take your logic and leave this thread! I already have pitchforks sharpened and torches ready for the public lynching.
As to lead only I have a direct e mail tfrom Brad (owner of MBC) the Doe Run (right there in Missouri)plant did not supply any lead to the bullet makers. The EPA closure was initiated a long time ago and the plant really was not doing much if anything at all.
I am buying a flint lock blunderbuss and black powder!
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