Midway welches on Backorder!

As to lead only I have a direct e mail tfrom Brad (owner of MBC) the Doe Run (right there in Missouri)plant did not supply any lead to the bullet makers. The EPA closure was initiated a long time ago and the plant really was not doing much if anything at all.

I am buying a flint lock blunderbuss and black powder!

not a bad strategy. Precharged Pneumatic is similar in effect, and is the direction I've been looking.
without the heat during discharge, one need only worry about pressure. Plastic jacket on any metal core you deem fit for launch and your good.
 
I got a $100 gift certificate to Midway for Christmas. Guess I should just throw it out.;) They don't have anything and what they do have they will not ship.:rolleyes:
 
that should be good for at least a few 1911 mags .. which I think they still have ... maybe.

I think we need to shake off the cabin fever here.
We stand to do a lot of damage to people and places we are going to need later.
 
Threads like this never cease to amaze me . . . there are obviously a lot of folks on here who have never worked for themselves or run a company. . . and who also seem to lack a grasp on reality.

I have a suggestion to all of those who have a b%&ch with Midway . . or any other company. There seems to be a large group of you so why don't you all pool your resources and start your own mail order on-line business selling the same things that the companies you are complaining about do? After all, you all seem to think you have the "expertise" to "do it the right way".

With the way things have been and still are . . . these companies are lucky to be surviving. Items out of stock . . back orders . . you think they like not having things to deliver to people? Who do you think pays for the bookkeeping to keep you on "back order" for some of the periods you are talking about? Somehow . . that information has to be processed by an individual and I doubt that any of you work for nothing.

Complaints for minimum shipping on small items . . do you think they get packing materials and someone to pack one or two items for nothing? And let's not forget the increase in shipping charges that seem to be a regular thing by the Post Office, etc.

Personally, I've ordered a number of orders from Midway and have been very pleased. Yea, perhaps the minimum shipping is a little high but if they have what I'm looking for . . and nobody else does . . it's up to me to decide if I want to pay the price or not. Nobody is twisting my arm. And having had run business for many years, I also know that someone has to pull that small order, check it, process it, pack it and ship it - and that labor, shipping materials and shipping charges don't come "free".

No one should be surprised that things are out of stock or that things may need to be backordered . but to complain because a company decides to cancel backorders that have been on the books a considerable time is just plain childish. So you have something that has been on back order for a year or more and do you think you are the only one? For all you know, they could have several thousand on back order for the same item . . do you expect them to keep that many on the books?

And I'm always amused by those who refer to the owners as "being to big for their britches" or not "caring for their customers". . . . I hope that makes you feel better as most of the complainers seem to think the owner is "getting rich". Well, number 1, any business cannot operate at a loss. They would be a lot "richer" if they could get product on the shelves to sell . . but they can't due to the shortages . . . remember, that's why you are on "back order". Add the loss in true cash flow . . . which is the lifeblood of any business . and then factor in the increased to the business for operating expenses . . . property taxes, overhead - electrical, water, insurances, etc. . . . well, some of you are living in a fantasy world.

If you are pissed at Midway or any other supplier "because you can't get what you want" or they don't run their business "the way you think they should" . . . you are free to get your stuff from anyone you want to. But you also need to look at all of the scenarios . . . you all want to boycott a company . . fine, go ahead . . but then don't complain when the number of suppliers start to "dry up". This country is run on free enterprise . . supply and demand usually sets the price . . . thrown in are the shortages . . . . you want to form a group so you can get group "discounts" . . . you are certainly free to do so. If I were a supplier and was approached by a group who banded together who "wanted" a discount on bulk purchases . . a supplier who didn't have and wasn't able to get enough supplies to handle the normal retail customers (remember, that's why your items are on backorder) . . . I'd offer you the same "discount" that I get from the power company, insurance company, water company, phone company, withholding taxes for my employees, workman's comp insurance and the list goes on and on . . . that discount would be zilch.

It's easy to criticize a company or a business . . but there are two sides to every story . . . and until you walk in that man's or company's moccasins . . . you have no understanding of the trees put in their way as they try to run their business and satisfy their customers.

So I look forward to seeing a new company formed by all of those who are "experts" on how another person should run their company . . . please keep us all informed and let us know when your catalog comes out as I want to be the first in line to buy shooting supplies from you . . . after all, you'll have an ample supply of product line to serve and supply everybody, you'll sell and ship at a reduced rate and there will never be any backorders so you won't even have to worry about establishing a policy on them nor pay someone to keep track of them. And oh, yea . .. . the best thing is that you'll never have to have a "customer service department" . . . because you all know how to run things without a glitch of any kind. And the Federal and State Regulations you have to abide by, the forms you have to fill out, the fees you have to pay . . . don't give them a though . . . I'm sure the employee who you assign to this task will gladly do it for nothing so you can keep your costs down.
 
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When I spoke to Midway on Monday on a recent cancelled back order the operator checked with his supervisor who confirmed the 360 cancellation policy on back orders is NOT published on the net. However, they may have recently published the policy since Monday. But, one way or another I've looked elsewhere for my bullets and last night I placed a large order with Mid South and the day before from Natchetz SS. I was standing in line for 14 months before they cancelled the back order on me.
 
I am disappointed that Midway cancels orders without offering their customers other options.

They are not using "books" to track backorders. That is what part of their order taking and processing IT system does for them. The cost to track a BO should be negligible.

I offered Sinclair as an example of a company standing by their customers' orders. I would rather have a supplier notify me of a price increase and ask if I want to keep the backorder instead of just canceling it.

I'm not complaining that I didn't get my parts. I expected to wait my turn with the thousands(?) of others who had ordered the same item. I would have paid a higher price, if required. They kicked me to the curb to get at the back of someone else's line. That's what I don't like.
 
Gee, if there was a Federal Trade Commission violation related to their cancelling internet or phone placed orders, a smart lawyer could come up with a nice Class Action Lawsuit against MW. Just thinking.

HOLD ON.

I WAS NOT SUGGESTING MIDWAY HAD VIOLATED THE LAW.

IN FACT, I WAS SUGGESTING THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO CANCEL THE BACKORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

Sorry for all caps, but I absolutely do not want my post to be misinterpreted.
 
I September of 2012 I purchased an order of 2000 reloading bullets and my credit card provided coverage until the end of March 2014. Yesterday I received an e-mail notice from Midway that the order was cancelled. I called customer service who admitted that they have a 360 day policy that they will not continue an order for more than 360 days and THAT THE POLICY IS NOT PUBLISHED ON THE NET. I asked customer service to reinstate the order [since their policy was not accessible to the public) and they refused and said that they were sorry, but there was noting they could do about it. They also indicated that they would not back order the item because there was not back order, however, their current pricing on the same purchase is considerably higher than the 9/12 order that I left open with them. A shipment of these bullets will be coming in but at a much higher price. I was not quibbling on price but the order status. Regardless of my 20 plus years of ordering from them the essentially welched on the deal. Very unhappy.

Really? This is what ruins your day? You spent the time to post the above message, then read responses, etc., when you could have just shrugged it off and done something fun.

Life is too short, people. Smile. Breath.
 
I don't order anything that needs to be backordered if possible. Getting harder to do for the last year and change. Luckily my local gun club has been stocking items for "members only", and I was lucky enough to get that membership in 2010 before all hell broke loose
 
Funny, how many things are on BO or are unavailable at MW but are available and cheaper at Widener's and Midsouth.
I would think MW would have an easier time getting in stock than smaller companies.

I quit buying from them because of the facts that Widener's and Midsouth had what MW did not, and they had it for less.
I go with who has it and who has the best price for it.

It's been my experience that the people who like to accuse others of whining are usually themselves the biggest whiners.

I go with price and availability.
When MW ceased to be better than the alternatives, I ceased to buy from MW, UNLESS they had something in stock and at a low enough sale price (usually not) to beat out the others.

It is entirely possible that MW is a victim of their own advertising.
Or, they could be dinging their customers (compared to smaller companies who sell for less) to pay for all those commercials they show on the outdoor-centric channels.
Either one is as likely as the other. They have better exposure, due to their commercials.
But, commercials are expensive to make and someone's gotta pay for their advertising. Judging by their prices, I'd MW's customers are paying for MW's business investment.
 
not a bad strategy. Precharged Pneumatic is similar in effect, and is the direction I've been looking.
without the heat during discharge, one need only worry about pressure. Plastic jacket on any metal core you deem fit for launch and your good.


Get a .45 or .50 caliber PCP and use the appropriate sabots.
I sometimes shoot copper .40 cal bullets in mine.

I'm working on a design for flechettes and appropriate sabots for my Sam Yang 909 .45 PCP.

The Doe Run shutdown has been blown way out of proportion by fear mongers and opportunists.

At the last gun show, a lot of sellers were using the Doe Run shutdown as an excuse to price-gouge on ammo.

Georgia Arms was not. A rep from their company confirmed that their suppliers do not get any lead from the Doe Run plant.
Their prices were much better than the fear mongering, money grubbing, opportunistic bottom feeders who were parroting the whole Alex Jones spiel of "The gummint's taking away lead for bullets".
 
Reminds me of:

Q: What's your price?
A: $10.
Q: Well so-and-so sells if for $9. I'll place my order with them.
A. Well go ahead, but when I don't have it my price is only $8. :D
 
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"I go with who has it and who has the best price for it."

Why would anyone do otherwise? In that order.
 
Get a .45 or .50 caliber PCP and use the appropriate sabots.
I sometimes shoot copper .40 cal bullets in mine.

I'm working on a design for flechettes and appropriate sabots for my Sam Yang 909 .45 PCP.

The Doe Run shutdown has been blown way out of proportion by fear mongers and opportunists.

At the last gun show, a lot of sellers were using the Doe Run shutdown as an excuse to price-gouge on ammo.

Georgia Arms was not. A rep from their company confirmed that their suppliers do not get any lead from the Doe Run plant.
Their prices were much better than the fear mongering, money grubbing, opportunistic bottom feeders who were parroting the whole Alex Jones spiel of "The gummint's taking away lead for bullets".

Big bore is the natural choice. Why reinvent the 177;)
At 45 or 50, one has the option to use it for a good bit more than rats no matter how ya load it
 
I've had nothing but great service from Midway, I had a back order but only for six months. Actually I was surprised they held it that long!
 
I've dealt with MidwayUSA for about a decade. Sometimes their policies are annoying but I continue to buy. I will tell you that once, I had two items on backorder and when one came in, they didn't ship it because their policy then to ship both or none. I contact them and Larry himself e-mailed me to apoligize. He also made a change to the policy right then and offered to ship the single item without the minimum charge. Done deal for me.

Now, with all the hoarding and production problems, I don't buy anything that's backordered. If I can't find it somewhere, I go without until I do. It's a lot less stressful.

Just an ole man's two cents.

Chris
 

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