M&P10 VS steel

[bigchief]

This is at about 50-100 yards. I was just playing around with my new leupold scope. Its a hair under 1/3 thick. Using PMC bronze 147gr. There is also some random .223 .45acp and shotgun loads on it. I make these targets from scrap metal at work and hang them on a steel frame i welded up. A lot more fun than paper.

 

[apiccola]

Looks like more than a few rounds went through that steel like it was paper ... that's awesome

 

[rojodiablo]

Looks like more than a few rounds went through that steel like it was paper ... that's awesome

Regular plate 1/4" will not stop the average 223/ 556 round at 50yds.
308 will penetrate completely through 3/8" plate at 50yds. If you want to stop the 308, go up to AR500 steel, which is denoted as such for Abrasion Resistant. It's primary use is scraper and digger material, like backhoe buckets and dozer stuff.

FWIW, 3/8" 514AR plate will show but a mosquito bite dent from 308 at 50 yds. It will barely stop 30-06 one time in the same location...... and 300WinMag zips right thru it like a sewing needle thru a silk sweater. 556 makes no noticeable dent in this material at 50yds.

While not inexpensive, it is much stronger than regular steel plate.

 

[prairie]

Bigchief, you are lucky to have that kind of scrap available at work. You can put it to good use, and still scrap it and start over with a new piece when done.
Most of us aren't so lucky. I have bought some targets from the following company.
AR500 Shooting Targets | Product Categories |
Did a lot of shopping around on the internet, and these looked like the best bang for my $$. (pun intended)
Online ordering/payment was simple and easy, with fast shipment. We have not taken the time to hang the gongs yet, but have shot the reactive targets a bit over the last couple of months. Handguns .45/.40/9mm at 10 yards, .223 at 50 yards, and .308 at 100 yards have not even made a dent. So far I could not recommend them any higher.

 

[bigchief]

Regular plate 1/4" will not stop the average 223/ 556 round at 50yds.
308 will penetrate completely through 3/8" plate at 50yds. If you want to stop the 308, go up to AR500 steel, which is denoted as such for Abrasion Resistant. It's primary use is scraper and digger material, like backhoe buckets and dozer stuff.

FWIW, 3/8" 514AR plate will show but a mosquito bite dent from 308 at 50 yds. It will barely stop 30-06 one time in the same location...... and 300WinMag zips right thru it like a sewing needle thru a silk sweater. 556 makes no noticeable dent in this material at 50yds.

While not inexpensive, it is much stronger than regular steel plate.

Thanks , thats good to know. Im pretty sure this was just regular steel. Im gonna go find some scrap armored steel and see how that holds up. Don't know the difference between regular steel, just know it stops an IED better

 

[apiccola]

Rojodiablo, many thanks for the info. That's neat stuff to learn. But, speaking of 556 ammo penetrating steel, do you happen to have any performance stats on the MK318 & M855A1 enhancements for penetration of materials?

 

[HDDP]

YEAH ! LET'S HEAR IT FOR DEAD STEEL !!!
Shooting The Smith & Wesson M&P10's - YouTube
Modded M&P10 Tack Driver - YouTube

Thanks to http://shootingtargets7.com/ Great targets in a range of sizes and thickness'

 

[rojodiablo]

Rojodiablo, many thanks for the info. That's neat stuff to learn. But, speaking of 556 ammo penetrating steel, do you happen to have any performance stats on the MK318 & M855A1 enhancements for penetration of materials?

It's been a little while on this thread; I actually got to train with some of the new ammo about 2 weeks ago.
Accuracy is about the same as xm855. It's more snappy, they say the speed is up a couple hundred FPS. As to penetration, we were hitting 1/4" plate at 75yds and it was going thru. This was regular material, and for comparison, we had some Wolf, and some hunting ammo to try side by side.

The Wolf was maybe a little more accurate than the new A1 ammo. Did not drill holes clean thru, but the bullets held up very well for being lower grade ammunition. The Federal Fusion ammo was much more accurate.
I would say the new ammo gets about 20% better penetration at 50-75yds, and then out from there, you start losing penetration once the speed drops a little more. At 150yds, it was not going thru. We did see a lot of the bullets collected on the ground, and they held up pretty well and did not frag apart much.
At 100yds, it did not eat thru 3/8 514 steel. But it made more marks than the regular ammo did.

 

[apiccola]

Rojodiablo, thx the info is greatly appreciated.

 

[LlindeX]

Just a quick not of caution:

Like the rest of you, I think shootin' steel is fun & a kick so see/hear. However, Every time I'm on the range and someone down the line sets-out a 50yrd steel target and begins to shoot it with his centerfire rifle, I think of the video of the guy shootin' his 50cal at a 100yrd steel plate. Don't think you can get a richochet back at the benches. . . . . that sucker dang near took his head off at the shoulders. If your gonna shoot steel, please, consider the safety of your fellow shooters. Set the targets up at a distance of at least 150 yrds or more.

 

[HDDP]

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