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[MrTrolleyguy]

Why not just ship the firearm straight from the seller? A gun only needs to go to an FFL not from an FFL.

As I was just PMing to the seller...it has everything to do with how many unemployed lawyers we have in Pennsylvania!!!

 

[Rastoff]

Well then, those lawyers should be unemployed because they don't know what's legal.

 

[Marshwheeling]

Well then, those lawyers should be unemployed because they don't know what's legal.

It is not a lawyer's job to know the law so much as it is to be able to look it up. The lawyers who know the law are the ones who just got out of law school.

 

[durango]

Adam Smith is your friend.

I don't mean to sound snide, but anyone in American business should take some time to become really familiar with this guy: Adam Smith: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

It puzzles me that a store owner who offers reasonable FFL transfer services would resent people who take him up on the offer. That said, I have encountered this attitude during a visit to a LGS in my area.

Judging from the comments above from store owners, if a transfer is not profitable to you, why on earth are you offering it?

Is no money better than a little monetary windfall here and there?

Along those lines, if you are charging significantly more for a gun than someone else is online, aren't you effectively pricing yourself out of the market?

The run on guns from the 2012 election seems to be winding down. Supply seems to be exceeding demand at this point. At the same time, consumer budgets are diminished.
Have you adjusted your business plan for this change in the market?

*edit* Why on earth do you expect consumers to look out for your interests ahead of their own without giving them a good reason to do so?

 

[JJEH]

I like doing transfers. I only charge $15 for Military/LE and $20 for civilian.

Sometimes Soldiers have firearms at home, get stationed here and just want them shipped to their new duty station. HEY, I'm your go to guy! That's what I'm here for!

If somebody contacts me and tells me what gun he/she is trying to buy I'll look it up and make an offer if I can get it. Thanks to my wife who got me a windows phone I can answer emails 24/7 if I wanted to. I'm here, just email and let me know what you are looking for and I try to get it.

I don't understand FFL that don't do transfers. That's money right in your pocket for little to no work, just your time.

 

[Rastoff]

It is not a lawyer's job to know the law so much as it is to be able to look it up. The lawyers who know the law are the ones who just got out of law school.

I agree. No one could possibly know all the laws that are out there. A lawyer's job is to know how to find the particular, relevant code and how to interpret it correctly.

That's why some of this stuff baffles me. If I can understand that a gun can be shipped from a private citizen, but must go to an FFL, then anyone can get that.

I wish more FFLs were like JJEH.

 

[Practical]

In NY we have the issue that ALL gun sales must have an FFL perform an NICs check and this can ONLY cost $10.

Frankly, if you are buying and selling these guns you are running and illegal FFL operation without a license, and these guys SHOULD be concerned because the BATFE will come knocking.

From what I can see YOU are the problem. You fail to buy from these gentlemen, you take advantage of their service and you want OTHER paying customers to pay for YOUR cost of doing business.

Buying a gun is NOT the cost of a transfer fee.

These guys have to pay the costs of running a business, and YOU frankly are stiffing them.

The democrats want to stop all NON FFL sales. That is the stated goal. they have succeeded in NY, and California. They want to make it not profitable to buy and sell guns without an FFL.

You basically are taking advantage of these FFLs.

 

[Practical]

I don't mean to sound snide, but anyone in American business should take some time to become really familiar with this guy: Adam Smith: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

It puzzles me that a store owner who offers reasonable FFL transfer services would resent people who take him up on the offer. That said, I have encountered this attitude during a visit to a LGS in my area.

Judging from the comments above from store owners, if a transfer is not profitable to you, why on earth are you offering it?

Is no money better than a little monetary windfall here and there?

Along those lines, if you are charging significantly more for a gun than someone else is online, aren't you effectively pricing yourself out of the market?

The run on guns from the 2012 election seems to be winding down. Supply seems to be exceeding demand at this point. At the same time, consumer budgets are diminished.
Have you adjusted your business plan for this change in the market?

*edit* Why on earth do you expect consumers to look out for your interests ahead of their own without giving them a good reason to do so?

Because some people are NOT doing a transfer or two a year. They are running and off the books FFL and moving a lot of guns.

The OP said

"Last year I bought 26 guns and 80% were shipped in to me. I think these guys get pissed off b/c the internet is kicking their butt. One shop owner has taken in over a dozen guns for me. If those were sales across his counter it would certainly be over a thousand or fifteen hundred dollars in his pocket."

How many of that 26 does he still own and how many did he flip to trade for something else?

Sounds like he needs to get his own table top FFL and start paying his own way if it is more than a few.

 

[bgrone]

We have an LGS in Des Moines run by full-time curmudgeon. Give him half a chance and he'll go into a rant about too many people having guns...go figure. I don't think he could get a job elsewhere and hold it. He survives as a business so some people must like his act....amazes me.

Are you talking about Jack?

Jim in Iowa

 

[durango]

Because some people are NOT doing a transfer or two a year. They are running and off the books FFL and moving a lot of guns.

The OP said

"Last year I bought 26 guns and 80% were shipped in to me. I think these guys get pissed off b/c the internet is kicking their butt. One shop owner has taken in over a dozen guns for me. If those were sales across his counter it would certainly be over a thousand or fifteen hundred dollars in his pocket."

How many of that 26 does he still own and how many did he flip to trade for something else?

Sounds like he needs to get his own table top FFL and start paying his own way if it is more than a few.

I do see what you're saying, but since there are a number of collectors on this forum, I don't think it's fair to start accusing people of running guns -- especially since this forum has numerous LEOs on it. Who in their right mind would brag about doing something illegal on here?

Also, with all due respect, law-abiding American citizens in free states outside of NY still have the right to own as many firearms as they please, including guns with standard magazines, pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, scary compensators, tactical doodads, bayonets, and 64-oz. extra-large cola cupholders. Speaking of which, I need to get one of those cupholders for my 15-22...

 

[JJEH]

I wish more FFLs were like JJEH.

Thanks for the flowers. Right now I have an easy job, OK is a pro gun state and 90% of my customers are Military.

I did had some knuckleheads asking if I could send a (modern) gun straight to them or if I had to ship to another FFL

But back to topic; I would switch FFL on both ends. Perhaps your friends or board members here can recommend a good one in your area. Or you use the search feature on gunbroker to find a new one.

FFL Dealer Locator: Find FFL Dealers & Holders at Gunbroker.com

There are plenty of good FFL out there. Just keep moving until you find the right one. It sucks but it's worth it. I do the same with car dealerships.

 

[TAROMAN]

LGS here loves the transfer business.
Pure profit with little effort and no capital tied up in inventory.
He does it free for me as I'm always available to assist with examining and evaluating vintage arms.

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

Finally after weeks, the connections have been made.

I think it is about time we end this discussion.

I will ask the moderators to lock this thread.

Thanks for all the replies.