LGS has my tax stamp and won't release suppressor!!!

[Arik]

Remain calm. It helps to keep a cool head in these situations.

Do you have another class 3 LGS that you can talk to? Maybe asking them if this is normal.

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[gm272gs]

You saw this suppressor a YEAR ago? Seriously? A YEAR?
I think they may have "lost" it.

You should suggest this possibility to the ATF and request that they run a firearms audit. This LGS may be due for one, anyway. All they have to do is sign it out of their bound book. It's yours.

 

[JSW]

I hope this works out for you. I have never heard anything like this before.

 

[snake803]

Theymay very well have given your can to someone else and are trying to get yours back and trade themout...????
Good luckyour situation ***...
JIM..................

 

[mc5aw]

"Winter 2013: ATF contacts LGS to get him to correct his errors on form 4."

^^^^ Here's your answer. You're dealing with amateurs and idiots.

I would contact BATF and inform whomever you speak with that your LGS is REFUSING to release your approved and registered suppressor.

 

[Frank237]

"Winter 2013: ATF contacts LGS to get him to correct his errors on form 4."

^^^^ Here's your answer. You're dealing with amateurs and idiots.

I would contact BATF and inform whomever you speak with that your LGS is REFUSING to release your approved and registered suppressor.

He beat me to it.

And your concern that it's been USED would be in my mind as well.

Call the ATF and get your property. Sounds like the Shop is not equipped to deal with Class 4 items.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

You saw this suppressor a YEAR ago? Seriously? A YEAR?
I think they may have "lost" it.

You should suggest this possibility to the ATF and request that they run a firearms audit. This LGS may be due for one, anyway. All they have to do is sign it out of their bound book. It's yours.

Seriously. A year is not all that bad.

My last tax stamp arrived in January this year... about 11 months after I sent in the paperwork.

 

[Arik]

You saw this suppressor a YEAR ago? Seriously? A YEAR?
I think they may have "lost" it.

You should suggest this possibility to the ATF and request that they run a firearms audit. This LGS may be due for one, anyway. All they have to do is sign it out of their bound book. It's yours.

NFA items take a while. I got my short barrel rifle before the panic ant that was about a 5 month wait. Now with more people applying it's taking up to a year.

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[zzzippper]

When I got my suppressor approved there was no additional paperwork. ATF approved it and I picked up the accessory.

I would ask to make an appointment with the owner or whoever they say is the only sainted soul and call the day before to confirm it.

 

[Gunslinger808]

When I got my suppressor approved there was no additional paperwork. ATF approved it and I picked up the accessory.

Then your gun shop messed up too.
You still need to fill out a 4473 for it when you pick it up!

 

[blujax01]

It's more likely to be something as simple as the other folks in the store have been instructed to never fool with Class 3 stuff. That's not uncommon.

That's how it is in our shop. I am not to touch the "pew-pew-pew" stuff under penalty of death. Appointments are made with the owner only. But phone calls are immediate and the appointments are made within a day or two of notification.

 

[jrm53]

Atf forms

I dont know about the suppressors but a couple of years ago I sold a Holmes MP82 machine pistol I built in 1983 and the paperwork with the stamp came to me and I built the pistol. I sold it through a class 3 dealer in SW Mo. he handled every thing, I kept the pistol and he did all the paperwork, he sold the pistol to some one in Oklahoma City and this guys paperwork came to me, in the meantime the dealer sent me a new plastic case in the box and a Fed-X shipping label to stick on it. I put the paperwork in the case with the mags and the weapon, stuck the label on the outside and took it to the Fed-X place and asked the clerk what to do, just put it on the pile there in the corner. He never asked me anything about what it was or anything. I would threaten these twits with a vist from the ATF I know they watch class 3 dealers very closely and these folks need a lot of SUPERVISION. Jeff

 

[LVSteve]

Had my share of confused FFLs. One guy was mega baffled that I could be a foreign national with local DL. Apparently the NICS check lady at Carson City was also behind the eight ball on this one. I got my gun, but he showed no interest in the required proofs of residency I provided. His butt, not mine.

 

[8th SPS USAF]

NFA problem

I had a similar problem, so to speak. I paid for my M1 Thompson, nothing happened. He never received my M1. I saw on his desk the name of the seller. I called and found out ,he sent a deposit , then a bad check for balance. I asked him in a very aggressive way and he admitted ,what he did and did not have money to renew his C3 Lic. Called ATF and the told me about another C3 dealer. Went to him . I paid the balance for the M1,
had it transferred to the new Dealer. Sued the S--T out of the old one, got firearms instead of money, sold them got my money back. All this took over a year ,back when NFA transfers were taking only 3 months M1 transferable was less than $500. Bought 3 more from the new Dealer and never looked back. Sorry you are going through this. Keep us informed
and maybe when you get your Sparrow (great suppressor I hear) you might let us know who screwed you.

 

[gordon21]

Good news and bad news. After three days of trying to get a live agent on the phone, I finally got one in the Charlotte NC regional office that called back. Very nice woman and she knew her stuff. She offered to call the dealer and assist. I gave her the phone number and their FFL number. Twenty minutes later she calls back and asks if the dealer had called me yet. I said no. She was puzzled. She made it very clear to the dealer that they were to call me immediately and say to come by. I was about 15 minutes away and went to the dealer. The owner was courteous and did mention that the ATF had just called him. It took 5 minutes and I left with the stamped form 4 and a brand new unfired suppressor. I had my goal met, so there was no need to start any confrontations or throw blame or rules around. This is obviously the good news.

Now for the bad news: According to the ATF, the suppressor belongs to the dealer even after the stamp gets issued. The approved form 4 merely allows ME to buy it. The dealer can at any time up until physical transfer, void the sale and keep it. Even if it was paid for. The agent said they actually do get lots of requests from dealers to cancel sales. The dealer then has to request the stamp be voided and the $200 refunded to the applicant. If they do that, they can keep the item and refuse to do the transfer. ATF has zero control over the money paid for an item to the dealer. That's my problem.

I asked why would a dealer choose to do this. I was told that dealers will sometimes want to keep the item themselves. Maybe they sold it too cheap a year ago, maybe they want it for a rental or display unit, etc.

The transfer is not final until physical delivery to the buyer and a form 4473 filled out. No NICS check needed for a form 4 item, so the transfer needs no additional processing.

 

[turbo38gn]

Good news and bad news. After three days of trying to get a live agent on the phone, I finally got one in the Charlotte NC regional office that called back. Very nice woman and she knew her stuff. She offered to call the dealer and assist. I gave her the phone number and their FFL number. Twenty minutes later she calls back and asks if the dealer had called me yet. I said no. She was puzzled. She made it very clear to the dealer that they were to call me immediately and say to come by. I was about 15 minutes away and went to the dealer. The owner was courteous and did mention that the ATF had just called him. It took 5 minutes and I left with the stamped form 4 and a brand new unfired suppressor. I had my goal met, so there was no need to start any confrontations or throw blame or rules around. This is obviously the good news.

Now for the bad news: According to the ATF, the suppressor belongs to the dealer even after the stamp gets issued. The approved form 4 merely allows ME to buy it. The dealer can at any time up until physical transfer, void the sale and keep it. Even if it was paid for. The agent said they actually do get lots of requests from dealers to cancel sales. The dealer then has to request the stamp be voided and the $200 refunded to the applicant. If they do that, they can keep the item and refuse to do the transfer. ATF has zero control over the money paid for an item to the dealer. That's my problem.

I asked why would a dealer choose to do this. I was told that dealers will sometimes want to keep the item themselves. Maybe they sold it too cheap a year ago, maybe they want it for a rental or display unit, etc.

The transfer is not final until physical delivery to the buyer and a form 4473 filled out. No NICS check needed for a form 4 item, so the transfer needs no additional processing.

Great news, happy it worked out in the end and there was an end... NOW.. WHERE IS THE PICTURE OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!

 

[AirForceShooter]

Now name the dealer so we can avoid him

AFS

 

[snake803]

Does the serial # on the brand new suppressor match the one on the stamp????
JIM..............

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Glad to hear your fears are put to rest and all is well. Now go have fun with your new can.

 

[ibewbull]

Good news and bad news. After three days of trying to get a live agent on the phone, I finally got one in the Charlotte NC regional office that called back. Very nice woman and she knew her stuff. She offered to call the dealer and assist. I gave her the phone number and their FFL number. Twenty minutes later she calls back and asks if the dealer had called me yet. I said no. She was puzzled. She made it very clear to the dealer that they were to call me immediately and say to come by. I was about 15 minutes away and went to the dealer. The owner was courteous and did mention that the ATF had just called him. It took 5 minutes and I left with the stamped form 4 and a brand new unfired suppressor. I had my goal met, so there was no need to start any confrontations or throw blame or rules around. This is obviously the good news.

Now for the bad news: According to the ATF, the suppressor belongs to the dealer even after the stamp gets issued. The approved form 4 merely allows ME to buy it. The dealer can at any time up until physical transfer, void the sale and keep it. Even if it was paid for. The agent said they actually do get lots of requests from dealers to cancel sales. The dealer then has to request the stamp be voided and the $200 refunded to the applicant. If they do that, they can keep the item and refuse to do the transfer. ATF has zero control over the money paid for an item to the dealer. That's my problem.

I asked why would a dealer choose to do this. I was told that dealers will sometimes want to keep the item themselves. Maybe they sold it too cheap a year ago, maybe they want it for a rental or display unit, etc.

The transfer is not final until physical delivery to the buyer and a form 4473 filled out. No NICS check needed for a form 4 item, so the transfer needs no additional processing.

I am glad it is resolved.

I would recommend researching the repute of any class III dealer before going through them. After reading this post.
Lately some FFL dealers in my area have done some ethically questionable things.

Let the buyer beware.