Strange WWII Facts

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You might enjoy this from Col D. G. Swinford, USMC, Ret., and history buff. You would really have to dig deep to get this kind of ringside seat to history:

1. The first German serviceman killed in WW II was killed by the Japanese ( China , 1937). The first American serviceman killed was killed by the Russians ( Finland 1940); highest ranking American killed was Lt. Gen Lesley McNair, killed by the US Army Air Corps. So much for allies.

2. The youngest US serviceman was 12 year old: Calvin Graham, USN. He was wounded and given a Dishonorable Discharge for lying about his age. His benefits were later restored by act of Congress.

3. At the time of Pearl Harbor , the top US Navy command was called CINCUS (pronounced 'sink us'); the shoulder patch of the US Army's 45th Infantry division was the Swastika, and Hitler's private train was named 'Amerika.' All three were soon changed for PR purposes.

4. More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than the Marine Corps.
[Actually the 8th Air Force alone suffered about 5,000 more KIA than the
entire Marine Corps in WW2. While completing the required 30 missions, an airman's chance of being killed was 71%.]

5. Generally speaking, there was no such thing as an average fighter pilot. You were either an ace or a target. For instance, Japanese Ace Hiroyoshi Nishizawa shot down over 80 planes. He died while a passenger on a cargo plane.

6. It was a common practice on fighter planes to load every 5th round with a tracer round to aid in aiming. This was a mistake. Tracers had different ballistics, so (at long range) if your tracers were hitting the target, 80% of your rounds were missing. Worse yet tracers, instantly told your enemy he was under fire and from which direction. Worst of all was the practice of loading a string of tracers at the end of the belt to tell you that you were out of ammo. This was definitely not something you wanted to tell the enemy. Units that stopped using tracers saw their success rate nearly double and their loss rate go down. Here's something related from 5th SF, Detachment B-52's Tips of the Trade item #32; "Tracers work both ways".

7. When allied armies reached the Rhine, the first thing men did was pee in it. This was pretty universal from the lowest private to Winston Churchill (who made a big show of it) and Gen. Patton (who had himself photographed in the act).

8. German Me-264 bombers were capable of bombing New York City, but they decided it wasn't worth the effort.

9. German submarine U-1206 was sunk by a malfunctioning toilet.

10. Among the first 'Germans' captured at Normandy were several Koreans. They had been forced to fight for the Japanese Army until they were captured by the Russians and forced to fight for the Russian Army until they were captured by the Germans and forced to fight for the German Army until they were captured by the US Army.

11. Following a massive naval bombardment, 35,000 United States and
Canadian troops stormed ashore at Kiska, in the Aleutian Islands. 21
troops were killed in the assault on the island. It could have been worse
- if there had been any Japanese on the island.

12. The last marine killed in WW2 was killed by a can of spam. He was on the ground as a POW in Japan when rescue flights dropping food and supplies came over, the package came apart in the air and a stray can of SPAM hit him and killed him.
 
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You can't make this stuff up. Thanks for the wonderful post. Does not hurt to remember.

13. At the Battle of Empress Augusta Bay in 1943, 4 new U.S. light cruisers fired over 5,000 5" and 6" shells and scored perhaps a dozen hits...

14. In 1942, a time of great peril, American civilian pilots were flying voluntary supply missions on the Pacific coast and as far north as the Aleutians virtually around the clock. Voluntary. One pilot almost landed on a Japanese aircraft carrier on a foggy night.

15. When a German U-Boat was forced to surface, boarded and captured in 1944, Adm. Dan Gallery was almost court-martialed as he announced the seizure in the clear. This would have informed the Germans that the Enigma machine and codes had been seized and they would have immediately changed the codes. Apparently, they did not pick up the signal...

Number 16, anybody?
 
I'm betting there is a bunch more where they came from.

The one that sticks in my mind comes from WWI. The Germans were desperately short of rubber for their war effort. The British were short of good optics for making sniper rifles. There were meetings in Switzerland to broker a "rubber for scopes" deal, but then both sides had a serious think and decided it was a bad idea.
 
Steve, great item! Vaguely similar to that famous 'non-deal' when Yankee and Red Sox GMs agreed to trade Ted Williams even-up for Joe DiMaggio. Seems they had been 'bending their elbows', and squelched the idea next AM. Good night.
 
16. One of the most unusual dogfights in WWII was between two artillery spotting planes, an American L2(?) and a German Fiesler Storch.

When they saw each other, they engaged in a classic turning dogfight, using handguns. The fight spiraled down onto the deck, where the Storch dug in a wingtip and crashed. The Americans landed and captured the Germans, one of whom was wounded in the leg by a .45 caliber bullet.

This was described in detail in "Aviation History" magazine.
 
17. William Patrick "Willy" Stuart-Houston (né Hitler) (March 12, 1911 – July 14, 1987) was Adolph Hitler's nephew. He wrote to, and received special permission from President Franklin D. Roosevelt to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces, and joined the U.S. Navy as a Pharmacist's Mate. He was wounded while in action, and honorably discharged in 1947.


Regards,

Dave
 
Rick Atkinson's "The Guns at Last Light" superbly covers in minute detail the war in Western Europe from Normandy to the capture of Berlin. While the heroics are well described, the blunders are all too painful to read -- on both sides. An eye-opener: Ike and Monty were constantly bickering over battle plans and strategy with Bradley often smoothing things over. The SHAEF high command was often in turmoil. As for the grunts, the horrors they suffered advancing into Germany in the winter of '44 are sobering and contrast sharply with soldiering in the 21st century. A great book -- but over 1,000 pages. Took me a month to read. Part of a trilogy preceded by earlier campaigns in the European theater.
 
Sure it was Bradley and not Beedle ? I don't think Bradley wasin on "D" day plans. In Europe The British and the French were in constant "war" with each other.
Monty was technicnally fired until his aide and beddle soothed it out---so was Patton.
Blessings
 
Not sure where I read this but think it might have been Eric Hartmans Bio. A russian pilot shot down or rather crippled a germans plane. He saw him crash land it, get out and run for the woods away from some russian ground troops. The russian landed his plane in a nearby field, got out and ran down the german on foot and choked him to death!
 
18. When the Japanese super-battleship Yamato was sunk in 1945 by U.S. carrier aircraft, an American citizen was a member of her crew. Kunio Nakatani was caught up by the war, studying at a Japanese university in 1941. He received letters from his family via the Red Cross. Two of his brothers served with the U.S. Army in Europe.

He did not survive the sinking...
 
Not sure where I read this but think it might have been Eric Hartmans Bio. A russian pilot shot down or rather crippled a germans plane. He saw him crash land it, get out and run for the woods away from some russian ground troops. The russian landed his plane in a nearby field, got out and ran down the german on foot and choked him to death!

If I recall? I THINK that episode was mentioned in the Bio book of Erich Alfred Hartmann, called: The Blonde Knight of Germany by Raymond Tolliver. I seem to remember reading that and is a true story.
 
I dont know if you can consider this a strange fact? but, Josef "Sepp" Dietrich--was NOT this historic soldier he played uo to be (from his service in WWI-in the German Tank Corps) I dont remember detyails but--Sepp Dietrich was one of those who in a backhanded way--gave himself several medals--like Hermann Goring did to himself. That said, Dietrichs WWII service was somewhat different.
 
Sure it was Bradley and not Beedle ? I don't think Bradley wasin on "D" day plans. In Europe The British and the French were in constant "war" with each other.
Monty was technicnally fired until his aide and beddle soothed it out---so was Patton.
Blessings
Not sure who had a bigger ego -- Patton or Monty? As for Ike, he often bent over backwards to give in to the Brits. Marshall was supposed to oversee but was largely hands-off. Churchill, as devious as they come, played both sides of the Yank-Brit contretemps. DeGaulle, meanwhile, strutted oblivious to all authority. It's a wonder the Allies were able to prevail but with the Russians overwhelming the Germans on the Eastern front it's not that hard to figure.
 
Lots of good stuff here, but I'm wondering about #10. I didn't think the Soviets had hostilities with Japan until they knew Japan was finished, and jumped in for a land grab. But, it does seem like I'm forgetting some episode.
 
10. Among the first 'Germans' captured at Normandy were several Koreans. They had been forced to fight for the Japanese Army until they were captured by the Russians and forced to fight for the Russian Army until they were captured by the Germans and forced to fight for the German Army until they were captured by the US Army.

My late Father-in-law served in the wehrmacht as a fallschirmjäger (paratrooper) during WW-II. He had a great laugh when I told him this story about the Korean conscript German troops at Normandy that I believe I first read about in a Stephen Ambrose book. We always wondered what Korean accented German would sound like. Strange, but no one ever mentions what happened to those poor guys after we (the U.S. Army) captured them.

Regards,

Dave

UPDATE: Google and Wiki are our friends...I did a quick search and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Kyoungjong

Now we know...the rest of the story.

Regards,

Dave
 
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My late Father-in-law served in the wehrmacht as a fallschirmjäger (paratrooper) during WW-II. He had a great laugh when I told him this story about the Korean conscript German troops at Normandy that I believe I first read about in a Stephen Ambrose book. We always wondered what Korean accented German would sound like. Strange, but no one ever mentions what happened to those poor guys after we (the U.S. Army) captured them.

Regards,

Dave

They probably got sent back...to North Korea and had to fight another war.
 
An eye-opener: Ike and Monty were constantly bickering over battle plans and strategy with Bradley often smoothing things over. The SHAEF high command was often in turmoil. .

That's no surprise. FDR picked Ike for the job because he was the best politician.

Churchill played FDR like a violin.

The Brits were still re-living WWI and never wanted a cross-channel invasion.
 
The Russo/Japanese war was in 1904. I had a great uncle that was drafted into the Russian army about then. On another recent thread I told of my uncle (different uncle in war two) having a russian pocket watch. I asked him how he got that? He just laughed and said hell, the first russian I seen I thought he must have been a Jap or something wearing that strange uniform. I didnt press that one. I have that watch and another german one he took off someone.
 
FDR was smart. He knew Ike was the best man for the job. He knew how to deal with the Allies, both military and politicians. Once we got into the war, Churchill and FDR didn't have too many quarrels. Blowhards like Montgomery, Patton and McArthur had their place, as subordinates for men like Ike, Bradley, Nimitz and Marshall.
 
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