raising point of impact
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ronnie gore
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point of impact
yes the 180 should hit closer to point of aim. light bullet high velocity always hits low.
all I use is 180 grain factory and reloads and they hit point of aim in several sigs and glocks I have.
yes the 180 should hit closer to point of aim. light bullet high velocity always hits low.
all I use is 180 grain factory and reloads and they hit point of aim in several sigs and glocks I have.
scooter123
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I agree with OKFCO5, you are anticipating the recoil and pushing the pistol down prior to the gun firing. Because 8 yards is only 24 feet and at that distance the change of the POI between 165 and 180 grain ammunition will be less than about 1/2 inch.
BTW, don't feel bad about growing a bit of a flinch, it's a perfectly natural response to a loud noise and blow to the hand. So, anyone who shoots a centerfire handgun long enough WILL have to learn how to cope with a flinch at some point. I've found what works for me is to concentrate on achieving a completely relaxed state as the gun fires. If you've ever studied Zen or done any meditation you'll find that this is possible but does require developing the proper mind set. BTW, getting it right can actually result in your leaving a shooting range in a much more relaxed state than when you entered.
BTW, don't feel bad about growing a bit of a flinch, it's a perfectly natural response to a loud noise and blow to the hand. So, anyone who shoots a centerfire handgun long enough WILL have to learn how to cope with a flinch at some point. I've found what works for me is to concentrate on achieving a completely relaxed state as the gun fires. If you've ever studied Zen or done any meditation you'll find that this is possible but does require developing the proper mind set. BTW, getting it right can actually result in your leaving a shooting range in a much more relaxed state than when you entered.
Steve C
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You shouldn't find much difference for full power loads at close range and its unlikely a 180gr bullet will make up 3" at such short range IF loaded to the typical factory velocity of factory ammo. You can load up 10 rounds at load levels that start at the load book start value and 4 more batches of 10 with increased powder charge 1/5th of the difference between the start and max load to see if your point of impact shifts up or down from your point of aim with heavier charge.
Personally I'd just aim a bit high for shots at a 1 or 2" target dot shot at 8 yds and call it good.
Personally I'd just aim a bit high for shots at a 1 or 2" target dot shot at 8 yds and call it good.
scooter123
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You have a lot to learn, I can guarantee you that you are flinching. Have someone load some random snap caps in your magazine and you'll get a better idea of what you are doing.
Bkreutz
US Veteran
Just aim higher. 
fredj338
Member
I have never seen that much poi shift at a mere 8yds, 15yds maybe. Yes, 180gr should shoot higher. Have another shooter try, could be you. If not, consider a shorter front sight.
Could be just plain Muzzle Control with a large caliber in a 3.1" barreled very light weight polymer pistol.
This might help in that regard: How to shoot a Pistol with world champion shooter, Jerry Miculek - YouTube S&W Pro Team World Champ shows how to control a muzzle. Excellent!
Not true at all, I had the same problem when I first bought my S&W 29 in 44 mag. Very common to drop the barrel and squint your eyes when you are anticipating the recoil. Shoot off a sandbag or rest to determine where the problem lies. It could be a defective gun.
Chris
Oh yes you can, just flinch the same each time. I had one student who shot 2" groups...A FOOT LOW AT 5 YARDS. Absolutely KNEW the gun was defective!! I had the student hold and aim the gun while I reached around and pinched the trigger. DEAD CENTER!
Then learning began....
^^^Been there and done that [emoji4] Just started shooting my 44s and 45s again.Its amazing how a flinch reappears when you're rusty lol
shovelwrench
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Dry fire practice will eliminate the push/anticipation/flinch.....
