Best .357 mag Duty Round

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I went to the range and tried 25 rounds of both. The 158gr seemed to group better for me from point shoulder shooting and from supported positions. I'm going to go with the 158gr. Thanks for all your opinions. I know some feel it's a foolish idea to carry a revolver in this day and age, but I shoot it so much better than our glocks. We also had a bad problem with our model 22 and a failure to feed. I also feel that with all the 1911 and Sig p220's around with 8-10 rounds magazines that I'm not that out gunned. I can reload with my moon clips as fast as most with a semi-auto. I also like the stopping power and reputation of the 357 along with the reliability of a revolver. Once again thank you all for your thoughts and opinions on this. I feel that your opinions are better than most published "experts".
I was going to add i would probably use the 158grain, which you have already chosen. A lot of this for penetration reasons on car bodies, glass, barricade, etc.
Now my time was packing a model 19 in the 70's on a sheriff's department.
We routinely trained with what at the time, politically incorrect, was called a mexican quail shoot. you stood in a circle, and at the whistle turned and fired.
You had six six inch diameter targets, numbered one to six in varied order and distance. You had to start with one and go to six. Had to keep firing if you missed one at the same target. You had to do this with a tactical reload in less than 15 seconds. My average time was somewhere around 8 to 9 seconds hitting all six targets twice.
I have a friend that from a holstered postion can hit six targets at about seven yards in about 1.30 seconds. He also took rob leatham one time in competition too.
You might not believe it until you see it done.
I like high cap mags, but don't anyone ever tell you are undergunned with a revolver if you are proficient enough.
the 125 grain jcp was a late bloomer to magnum pistols, and they the pistols that is were designed around that 158grain bullet.
While in recent years my toys have been more in the .41magnum and up range, to this day i don't think there is anything around that i would be uncomfortable facing with a model 19 with only six rounds. And a couple of speed loaders.
I might add at the time in the 70's, the instructors i had preached proficiency, skill, with a handgun rather than spray and pray. A lot of it has to do with mindset by the way
 
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I have a couple .357 revolvers. A 4" Model 28 Highway Patrolman and a 2" Colt Lawman Mk III. I like the 125 grain Golden Saber load for the snubbie. I carry the Remington 158 grain HP in my Model 28.
 
8-Shot,

Very wise choice. You picked the round YOU shot best out of YOUR gun. That factor trumps other considerations by a wide margin.
 
I just recently bought the exact same gun, and I think it is a perfectly viable option as a duty gun (and I'm a huge Glock and 1911 fan).

Regarding the ammo choices -- out of all the great options out there, those two particular loads would have been towards the bottom of my list of hollow points. I guess either one would probably do its job if you do yours, but these days there are quite a few far better choices out there (IMHO). Given that particular choice, I would have gone with the Win 158gr also. If it were me though, I'd be rattling somebody's cage in favor of allowing some other option.

If the gun was for personal self-defense use (where I'd be unlikely to have to shoot through intermediate barriers), I would go with 125gr JHP's all day long (the standard 'old fashioned' JHP's by Federal or Winchester). However, if I were using this as a duty gun where my chances of having to shoot through barriers is quite a bit higher, the only 125gr load I would choose would one (Federal, Cor-Bon, Double Tap) with a Barnes DPX bullet... but I would probably go with something heavier like a 140gr Barnes or a 158gr Gold Dot.

FWIW
 
The two best modern design 357 magnum loads with above average terminal performance incorporate Barnes copper HP's:


Federal:
** 140-gr. Barnes Expander (P357XB1)


Corbon – Dakota Ammo:
** 125-gr. DPX [Barnes XPB] Copper HP (DPX357125-20)
 
I went to the range and tried 25 rounds of both. The 158gr seemed to group better for me from point shoulder shooting and from supported positions. I'm going to go with the 158gr. Thanks for all your opinions. I know some feel it's a foolish idea to carry a revolver in this day and age, but I shoot it so much better than our glocks. We also had a bad problem with our model 22 and a failure to feed. I also feel that with all the 1911 and Sig p220's around with 8-10 rounds magazines that I'm not that out gunned. I can reload with my moon clips as fast as most with a semi-auto. I also like the stopping power and reputation of the 357 along with the reliability of a revolver. Once again thank you all for your thoughts and opinions on this. I feel that your opinions are better than most published "experts".
Hi 8-shot. It looks like you made the right decision. The round that you shoot the best and you can make hits is what counts. Myself I prefer in 357 the 158gr round hollow points. In a four inch revolver they will usually hit POA. The full house 125gr has the better one time shot take down according to all the reports but I have fired them and followup shots are slower for me.The Remington Golden Saber is a great round. But it is a medium power round. I would think this round would be a better home defense round than a urban outdoor round. Too me the 158gr will penatrate better and is more accurate overall.
Good luck and if I were in your shoes I would carry a revolver too if the department would let me. I am head and shoulders better with a revolver than a semi-auto.

Howard
 
The two best modern design 357 magnum loads with above average terminal performance incorporate Barnes copper HP's:


Federal:
** 140-gr. Barnes Expander (P357XB1)


Corbon – Dakota Ammo:
** 125-gr. DPX [Barnes XPB] Copper HP (DPX357125-20)

Could you please provide the shooting/after action/autopsy reports of documents shootings of humans with these rounds.
If you don't feel you can post them, my work email address is
[email protected]
Oconee County Sheriff's Office - Oconee County, Georgia
 
I just bought some SJHP Remington 125gr Hollow Points...not easy to come by it seems. This and the Federal 125 gr round is what gave the 357 it's reputation and it's a good start to emulate that. There are others no doubt as good but, these old standbys are pretty good of their own.
 
I went to the range and tried 25 rounds of both. The 158gr seemed to group better for me from point shoulder shooting and from supported positions. I'm going to go with the 158gr. Thanks for all your opinions. I know some feel it's a foolish idea to carry a revolver in this day and age, but I shoot it so much better than our glocks. We also had a bad problem with our model 22 and a failure to feed. I also feel that with all the 1911 and Sig p220's around with 8-10 rounds magazines that I'm not that out gunned. I can reload with my moon clips as fast as most with a semi-auto. I also like the stopping power and reputation of the 357 along with the reliability of a revolver. Once again thank you all for your thoughts and opinions on this. I feel that your opinions are better than most published "experts".

Id prefer to carry a sharpened stick as carry a Glock!

Ive had 9mmauto's...and 45 ACP autos...and sold all of them and went BACK to S&W wheelguns. If my .357's or my 44 mag cant get it done..nothing will. I have speedloaders for all and dont feel 1 bit "undergunned".
 
8-Shot... I am a new deputy in Oklahoma and also wanting to carry the 627 as a duty weapon, but it seems impossible to find a duty holster.. Sarfariland is still making them for the K/L frames (hence I think I may have to carry my 686), but not for the 627. What duty holster are you using?
 
Genius…. yes it actually is. I started my career 20 years ago carrying my Smith Wesson 19. I have the option to carry it again where I am working. When the new kids come in they say yeah I am limiting myself with old technology. Then I take then outside and out run them with their Glocks. Point is I practice. I can outrun a semi with it and I have full confidence with my equipment. You look at the stat for the police actions, at least where I am, and 6 rounds is sufficient. As far as ammo choices in my gun I like the 158 for longevity (less cracked forcing cones) and excellent results on the street.
 
X-Trooper has it right. I too am a dyed in the wool revolver man and my JOB would only allow semi auto's if you were in our stakeout unit or K-9 back in the stone age. After several shootings where officers needed more than 6 or faced multiple assailants, all officers were permitted to transition to semi auto's. Granted, this is the late 70's and early 80's but police work stays the same. If you must use the revolver, use the round that you are most comfortable with and can fire accurately and rapidly the best.
 
8-Shot... I am a new deputy in Oklahoma and also wanting to carry the 627 as a duty weapon, but it seems impossible to find a duty holster.. Sarfariland is still making them for the K/L frames (hence I think I may have to carry my 686), but not for the 627. What duty holster are you using?

I find duty holsters at gun shows. The last new one I bought was a nylon one from Don Hume. I bet you can get an N frame duty holster from them. Bianchi also makes an N frame version of the Cruiser holster.
 
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Could you please provide the shooting/after action/autopsy reports of documents shootings of humans with these rounds.
If you don't feel you can post them, my work email address is
[email protected]
Oconee County Sheriff's Office - Oconee County, Georgia

I know of none with the .357. I have read & heard of about five shootings with Corbon DPX out of a semi-auto service size semi-auto and all were DRT, however to be objective all were solid COM hits at close range if I recall.

That said, I still have some old Federal 125 gr. JHP's that clock just under 1,400 in a 3" .357. Of course, the OP does not have these on his list. I would go with the 125 gr. Golden Saber on his list.

It will be 50 yrs. before there are enough Street results on SCHP's as they are simply not in common usage, most likely due to price. However, we can extrapolate very well how they will work based upon thousands of objective scientific tests as compared to how other rounds did in the same tests and their Street results. Is it the same as actual shootings? Of course not. The one thing that is almost always guaranteed with SCHP's is that they out perform any other handgun bullet under adverse conditions, i.e., through barriers, as well as they almost always seem to mushroom whereas many other JHP's do not with 100% certainty.

Just my opinion and worth what you were charged.
 
If I were to carry a .357 Magnum revolver today, it would be loaded with Winchester 145gr Silvertips. They are still the best of the .357 Magnum loads, in my view, and have an enviable track record.
 
CountyDepOK; For my 627 Pro I'm using a Bianchi N frame holster in ballistic nylon, for field work. For dress occasions I'm carrying in a Tex Shoemaker black basketweave leather duty holster. Our agency issues the Speer Gold Dot 125 gr 357 mag, which is moving at around 1450 fps out of the 4" guns. It's almost identical to the 357 Sig 125 gr Gold Dot, also at around 1450 fps.....
 
If I were to carry a .357 Magnum revolver today, it would be loaded with Winchester 145gr Silvertips. They are still the best of the .357 Magnum loads, in my view, and have an enviable track record.

Corporal Coates was carrying a 4 inch S&W 66 loaded with Winchester Silvertip 145gr 357 Magnum. Due to the bad guy being very obese and the Silvertips rapid expansion, none of the rounds reached a vital area.

"Corporal Coates was able to force the man off of him and return fire, striking the suspect five times in the chest with his .357 caliber revolver. As he retreated for cover and to radio for backup, the suspect fired another shot. The round struck Trooper Coates in the left armpit and traveled into his heart. The suspect survived the incident and was sentenced to life in prison."

Read more: Trooper Mark Hunter Coates, South Carolina Highway Patrol, South Carolina
 
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