45 COLT loads for S&W Governor

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I started this thread because the short barrel and long cylinder bore make the Governor a challenge to load for, and specific load data is non-existent. The purpose of this post is to consolidate all of my data in one place for other Governor owners.

I have spent quite a bit of time testing different powders, looking for both good "plinking" loads and defense loads that could equate or even exceed the energy of the best commercially available loads in 45 COLT.

My "defense" load goal was to come up with a hand load (or several) that matched the energy of the best commercial round I have found... the Barnes VOR-TX 200 GR XPB HP (379 ft-lb), but using readily available 250 grain XTP bullets instead.

Here is a summary of the commercial rounds I have tested from the Governor. Note that all load velocities were measured using an Oehler 35P chronograph with the start screen placed 8 feet from the muzzle.


Commercial Loads Tested:

Barnes VOR-TX 200 GR XPB HP - 921 FPS - 379 ft-lbs <-- best load tested

Winchester Silvertip 225 GR HP - 771 FPS - 298 ft-lbs

Winchester PDX1 225 GR Bonded JHP - 766 FPS - 295 ft-lbs

Hornady Lever Revolution 225 GR FTX - 755 FPS - 286 ft-lbs

Speer Gold Dot 250 GR GDHP - 669 FPS - 250 ft-lbs

Hornady Critical Defense 185 GR FTX - 863 FPS - 308 ft-lbs

The Barnes VOR-TX ammo was impressive. It was also very accurate.


410 Gauge 2-1/2" Load Tested:

Hornady Critical Defense - Triple Defense (244.1 GR total payload) - 761 FPS - 315 ft-lbs

This load consists of one polymer tipped bullet shaped projectile weighing 115.2 grains and two buckshot weighing 64.45 grains each. This was only a six-shot string. I usually shoot a 10-shot string. I determined the weight of the projectiles by dissecting a round and weighing the components.

I shot five rounds at an 8.5x11 piece of paper 10 yards away and all 15 projectiles struck the paper. Not a bad grouping for that distance.


Hand Load Chronograph Data:

I started testing loads using the less expensive Berry's plated bullets, looking for some loads that showed promise before graduating them to the more expensive XTPs. During testing I found that as my loads got "warmer," the Berry's plated bullets began to lose their plating. Blow-by in the oversized cylinder bores seemed to be stripping the plating off the bullets. I have posted a photo of two recovered bullets in a later post (below). Milder loadings did not have as much plating loss as exhibited by clean holes in the paper tagets instead of ragged holes, so they may still be suitable for "plinking" loads.

Disclaimer: Some of these loads are sure to produce more than the SAAMI allowed 14,000 PSI. The Governor is rated for 45 ACP, which has an allowable pressure of 21,000 PSI. Please refer to your loading manuals to determine if these loads are safe for your firearm. I based some of my charges on an article in Handloader magazine volume 246, which lists data for 20,000 PSI loads. In this article, they were pushing 280 grain cast bullets instead of 250 grain plated or XTP, but typically data shown for a heavier bullet is safe to use on lighter bullets. This article had a table of "20,000 PSI" loading data that indicated max loads of 10.0 grains of Unique, 9.5 grains of Power Pistol, 10.0 grains of Universal, and 8.5 grains of TiteGroup. I stayed under these max loadings here. Note that standard primers were being used in the loads found in the article.

Below is a picture of an Excel spreadsheet showing all my Governor load data sorted alphabetically by powder, then charge weight. Where Magnum primers were used, they are highlighted with red text. Velocity spreads above 50 FPS, which are not desirable, are also highlighted with red text. You can click on the table to view a larger version.

Link to Table


Observations:

Power Pistol powder seemed to stand out. It produced very consistent velocities, good accuracy (as good as can be expected from the Governor), and does not seem to care much if you use standard or magnum primers.

Unique and CFE-Pistol require magnum primers in the short barreled Governor to get the velocities to be consistent.

None of the XTP loads tested showed any pressure signs (they shouldn't at these pressures).

The XTP loads were not too bad to shoot. I do not think any recoiled as much as some of the hotter 410 defensive offerings do.

The XTP loads were far more accurate than the Berry's plated loads.

Plated bullets are not ideal for use in the Governor due to the oversize cylinder bore which lets blow-by peel the plating off. They may still be OK for mild loads.


Mike
 
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A 250 grain plated FP is not going to have the same velocity as a 225 gr JHP

The Unique load of 9 grains)is the "standard" load only with a 250 grain LSWC. It is about max for that gun IMHO. With plated bullets you can not put much of a crimp on them. The die will roull crimp and cut through the plating..

For a more equal test try a Hornady XTP or Gold Dot bullet if they can be found.

For the energy I gather you are plugging the velocity into a calculator with the bullet weight.??

There is a older long thread on miking the Govenor for the max loads. It will not hold up to Ruger only 45 Colt loads.
 
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I was not looking for the same velocity, but rather the same energy. Although that velocity with a 250 grain bullet would make my day. I want to work up my loads using the cheaper plated bullets and find a few that have promise before switching to my XTPs.

I hand calculated the energies. Actually, I wrote a formula in excel so I can just plug in the weight and velocity.

The old thread you are referring to can be found here.

I could not duplicate, or even come close to the chronograph values shown in that post. You will see my posts to that effect there.

Thanks for your help. Keep it coming please.

Mike
 
You load 9 grains unique and get 715 fps. With my model 25-7 5"? barrel I get 900 fps for the same load.

Edit: Maybe fill the case with black powder?

David
 
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You load 9 grains unique and get 715 fps. With my model 25-7 5"? barrel I get 900 fps for the same load.

Edit: Maybe fill the case with black powder?

David

The problem with the Governor is you get a lot of "blow by" as the bullet travels down the smooth, oversized cylinder. And then... the actual barrel is only 2.75" long. I wish I knew what powder Winchester was using in their commercial defense loads. It seems to have a good burn rate for this application. I had a lot of unburned powder in the barrel and cases with my Unique loads. It was not all igniting and burning.

Mike
 
Ammo companies have propitary powder blends that are not avalable to us. You can not get what they use. The issue with the Govenor is what you mentionged primarly the length of the barrel. No matter what powder yous use the velocity is gone once the bullet leaves the barrel. Your slower powders will always work better. Whatever powder gives the best velocity in a long barrel will do the same in a short one. You can't beat physics.

I got over 1100 fps with a 45 colt caseand 255 lead out of a SW 460 5" barrel using H110. (a Ruger TC load)That load would blow up a govenor,.

Here is a good article which places the guns in 3 groups. As mentioned in that old thread My SW Mt Gun late model will not handel the heavy loads and it has a longer barrel. You can only get what you can. Only other option is shoot a lighter bullet to get more velocity and then calculate the energy, Try a 200 or 230 grain.

The pdf will not upload April 2007 Handloader
 
The problem with the Governor is you get a lot of "blow by" as the bullet travels down the smooth, oversized cylinder. And then... the actual barrel is only 2.75" long... I had a lot of unburned powder in the barrel and cases with my Unique loads. It was not all igniting and burning.

I suspect that it is the long chambers that's it's biggest drawback.
-What's the distance from the 45 Colt case mouth to the throat?
-What's the chamber diameter between these too points?
I'm thinking that once the bullet leaves the case a lot of the power quits burning since there's no restriction on the bullet until it finally hits the throat?

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The fact you are using a 250gr bullet and trying to compare your ammo to the factory ammo using a 225gr bullet is also a problem.

Hornady has a 200gr XTP/HP bullet w/cannelure you can use in your 45 Colt.
Hornady XTP Bullets 45 Cal (451 Diameter) 200 Grain Jacketed Hollow

Hornady's 225gr FTX bullet is also designed for use in the 45 Colt and will probably better match the velocities produced by the 225gr factory ammo.
Hornady FTX Bullets 45 Colt (Long Colt) (452 Diameter) 225 Grain Flex

There are other good bullets like the Sierra 240gr bullet but since the weight is already getting heavier that won't help you with velocities.

I would try using a different powder to increase the velocities without trashing the pressure limits. I would try AA#5, HS-6, Power Pistol or True Blue and see if your results improve.
 
I happen to have some True Blue. I may have to try that. I am not trying to match velocity, although that would be nice, but rather the ft-lbs of energy. So for a 250 grain bullet, I want to be hitting approximately 734 FPS. I was hoping someone has already tried a similar load in their Governor that has hit that without getting into the Ruger/TC loading range. I want to be shooting a load that is safe in the Governor.

Mike
 
...Here is a good article which places the guns in 3 groups. As mentioned in that old thread My SW Mt Gun late model will not handel the heavy loads and it has a longer barrel. You can only get what you can. Only other option is shoot a lighter bullet to get more velocity and then calculate the energy, Try a 200 or 230 grain.

The pdf will not upload April 2007 Handloader

I found and read this article. The article suggests that the Governor can handle loads from the 20,000 PSI max table. That table includes a Unique load using 10.0 grains to push a 285 grain cast bullet. I don't need a load anywhere near that stout, but I might explore going up a bit on my Unique charges to see what happens. I have no desire to spontaneously disassemble my Governor while holding it in my hand. I might try 9.2 and possibly 9.4, but with the Berry's 250 GR FPs.

I will get back to you.

Mike
 
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Just for comparision as I do not have a Gov. I dug through my old chrongraph data and From a 4" SW Mt Gun 625 -dash infinity.

With a hand cast (from a old forum member) 240 gr LSWC and 9.3 grains of Unique I got an avg of 915 FPS, ES-36 and SD of 14.

That load is about max for me and that gun. I think a lot has to do with a heavy roll crimp that can be put on lead vs plated so the powder has a chance to burn completly and build pressure.

Even if you use some theory of 50- fps per inch (not sure if that is valid)then you in t should get around 800 fps.


Here you can put loads side by side.
Energy Calculator

BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: .45 Colt Results
 
Have you tested and chronographed any .410 slugs? That's what the gun was designed to shoot.
 
Have you tested and chronographed any .410 slugs? That's what the gun was designed to shoot.

No slugs. I did chrono three shots of Federal Handgun 2.5" 000 four-pellet buck.

They were measured as follows:

813 FPS
797 FPS
779 FPS

The pellets weigh 61.0 grains each (244.0 grains total).

Mike
 
I keep a variety of .410 OOO buck and slug loads around for my .410 coach gun. If I had a .410 revolver, I'd go with them instead of the .45 Colt route.

I took a long serious look at a Taurus Judge when they first came out and realized they were designed to shoot the shot shells. The fact that they can be used to shoot .45 Colt ammo was pretty much a good marketing angle than a good habit.
 
Interestingly, that Federal Handgun 2.5" 4-pellet 000 buck load has 345 ft-lbs of energy when fired from the Governor. I would have thought that the 45 Colt factory offerings would easily exceed that. Maybe I just need to carry the 000 buck.

I am still going to test a few more 45 Colt loads and post my findings here.

Mike
 
I think what is tells you, is it's the bullet. The pellets reached 800 fps which I predicted for a 240 grain lead swc. Try some of those with a heavy crimp and the max level of Unique.
 
The problem is the chamber dimensions weren't made for shooting .45 Colts. Excessive gas blow by and bullet yawing before engaging the rifling are going to be major detriments to velocity and accuracy. You can try using brass .410 shotshell hulls to work up a "metallic cartridge load" or you might be able to work up a good shotshell load that will give you what you want.
 
I think Power Pistol or 300MP will do what you want.

410 slugs are not accurate, they are only .375" in diameter wobbling down a .451" barrel
 
I went to the range today and did some more chrono work with the Governor. Here is the new data that is relevant to this thread:

Factory Loads:

Barnes VOR-TX 200 GR XPB HP - 921 FPS - 379 ft-lbs (WOW!) :eek:

Hornady Lever Revolution 225 GR FTX - 755 FPS - 286 ft-lbs

Speer Gold Dot 250 GR GDHP - 669 FPS - 250 ft-lbs

That Barnes ammo was impressive. It was also very accurate.


Hand Loads:

All loads below use new Starline cases, CCI 300 primers, Berry's plated 250 GR FP bullets, an OAL of 1.595", and used a Lee FCD with a medium crimp (contact + 3/4 turn).

Unique 9.2 Grains - 737 FPS - 304 ft-lbs - 80 FPS Spread - Std Dev of 25.2

Unique 9.4 Grains - 775 FPS - 335 ft-lbs - 48 FPS Spread - Std Dev of 17.0

The 9.4 grains of Unique seems to be settling down and the spread and SD are coming down. I am working on more handloads. I will report back on them.

Mike
 
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Perhaps switching to a 200 grain bullet will help.

I appreciate all the information. It answers a lot of questions about a 410 revolver.

David
 
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