New Charge for Woman who left Gun in Church
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Can, but in this case did not.
Cal44
Member
One of the problems with a strict "shall issue" law is that if there is a need to take away, or temporarily suspend a CCW, the only way to do it is to convict them of a crime.
I kind of like the suggestion of a temporary suspension, perhaps some mandatory gun safety training, and fine as being more appropriate than a criminal trial.
I kind of like the suggestion of a temporary suspension, perhaps some mandatory gun safety training, and fine as being more appropriate than a criminal trial.
Capt.Jim
Member
How do you compare apples to oranges? Report says no damage occurred because of the forgotten gun!
I never heard somebody held responsible for an accident where there was no damage occurred!
I mean if you parked your car without locking the doors do you need to be held responsible for an accident that could've occurred because of your mistake?
Or what if you walked inside your home to use the bathroom and left your hammer outside by the front yard where you were fixing your fence?
What if a kid finds that hammer and hits his friend in the head and kills?
We need to leave this way of, she did a horrible thing and I recognize it because I am a very "fair" and "noble" person type of statements.
Like many people said it's a human thing to make an unintentional mistake and same kind of mistakes done even by many highly trained professionals who carry a gun because of their job!
A simple fine and/or conditional warning would be more than sufficient in a case like this.
Let's not rush to send her to electric chair please!
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The trouble is....
The trouble is that they can charge her with anything they want and she is forced to defend herself in court. I would probably cite some sort of 'negligence' not violent intent.
The trouble is that they can charge her with anything they want and she is forced to defend herself in court. I would probably cite some sort of 'negligence' not violent intent.
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The irony of it....
Anybody notice the irony in the name 'Badger Guns'? Badgering people who own guns with extraneous charges is a way to badger people out of owning guns.
Anybody notice the irony in the name 'Badger Guns'? Badgering people who own guns with extraneous charges is a way to badger people out of owning guns.
It's attempted homicide.....
She left that gun so somebody would find it and shoot somebody. If that's not malicious intent I don't know what is.
She left that gun so somebody would find it and shoot somebody. If that's not malicious intent I don't know what is.
Anybody at fault in a car accident.....
Anybody at fault in a car accident should have their licenses yanked. Or leaving it running where somebody could drive off and hurt somebody? Or........?
Anybody at fault in a car accident should have their licenses yanked. Or leaving it running where somebody could drive off and hurt somebody? Or........?
I was trying to make a simple analogy and I guess I didn't do that good of a job.
My point was there are ramifications for causing a simple fender bender or speeding or rolling through a stop sign. All of which can be done unconsciously and without intent. Cause enough accidents or have a few traffic violations and they yank your license. The consequences for leaving a gun in a public place where there are children has the potential to be much more tragic than a car accident.
Nowhere in my post do I suggest that harsh punishment is in order nor do I feel that my statements make me morally/ethically superior or "Noble".
My point was that carrying a gun is a huge responsibility, like driving a car. Take it for granted and bad things can and will happen to you.
We have stopped being a country where mistakes happen. Now everything is a serious matter and SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!
Good grief. We need to stop trying to ruin peoples' lives for accidents where nothing bad even happened.
Good grief. We need to stop trying to ruin peoples' lives for accidents where nothing bad even happened.
Kinda embarrissing to admit, but when I'm conducting serious business on the throne, I put the gun on the toilet paper holder, or I take the toilet paper out of the holder and put it next to my gun, so I'm forced to look at the gun when I'm ready to leave the restroom.
Forgive me for any incoherence as I write this feeling the effects of a nasty virus.
Don't get me wrong. I do not believe in leaving weapons unattended in public places. I think it's a bad idea, but......
1. I suspect an incident like this is rare. It appears, at least to me, there is a bias in the general media towards negatively reporting gun issues and I would assume stories like this would be reported when they occur(?).I follow the news relatively closely and this is the first incidence of a gun being accidently left in a public place that I have seen leading me to believe it is fairly uncommon.
2. I imagine, throughout history, leaving an unattended weapon was not that uncommon. Not that far back in our history boys were taking rifles to school to hunt with on their way home. I'm not sure if they were left unattended but my impression is that they were. The most recent example or boys uneventfully taking rifles to school I have encountered, and highly recommend, is the autobiography, The Horse and Buggy Doctor by Arthur Hertzler. Even more recently boys (me) would take pocket knives to school with no associated falderal.
3. There's a slippery slope with logic applied to punishing someone for leaving an unattended weapon. Do you include steak knives from a restaurant? Do you start to monitor the firing line at a gun range and as soon as the shooter is more than X feet away from their gun it is "unattended" and they are in violation of the law? Where do you draw the line when creating the laws and rules? How far do you go with the punishment?
Don't get me wrong. I do not believe in leaving weapons unattended in public places. I think it's a bad idea, but......
1. I suspect an incident like this is rare. It appears, at least to me, there is a bias in the general media towards negatively reporting gun issues and I would assume stories like this would be reported when they occur(?).I follow the news relatively closely and this is the first incidence of a gun being accidently left in a public place that I have seen leading me to believe it is fairly uncommon.
2. I imagine, throughout history, leaving an unattended weapon was not that uncommon. Not that far back in our history boys were taking rifles to school to hunt with on their way home. I'm not sure if they were left unattended but my impression is that they were. The most recent example or boys uneventfully taking rifles to school I have encountered, and highly recommend, is the autobiography, The Horse and Buggy Doctor by Arthur Hertzler. Even more recently boys (me) would take pocket knives to school with no associated falderal.
3. There's a slippery slope with logic applied to punishing someone for leaving an unattended weapon. Do you include steak knives from a restaurant? Do you start to monitor the firing line at a gun range and as soon as the shooter is more than X feet away from their gun it is "unattended" and they are in violation of the law? Where do you draw the line when creating the laws and rules? How far do you go with the punishment?
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The reaction of the people (women?) that found it is disturbing,to say the least...
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This happens HUNDREDS of times each day in America......
Civilians, police, FBI, secret service (remember the agent who left hers in the head of the airplane carrying Mitt Romney around during the last election??). Never heard from again!!
It is discussed and cussed on all gun forum at length!!
The only SAFE place for your sidearm is to drop it in the crotch of your clothes while seated.
Leaving it in the holster only drags your pants down to the floor (ewee, what a mess) for the person in the next stall to see. OOPS.
Putting it on the TP holder doesn't work as most of them are rounded off. No tank in the back on most new toilets - and it would be
OUT OF SIGHT..............AAAGGG.
In any case it is not cause for dragging the person through the very time consuming and costly court system!!!!
Civilians, police, FBI, secret service (remember the agent who left hers in the head of the airplane carrying Mitt Romney around during the last election??). Never heard from again!!
It is discussed and cussed on all gun forum at length!!
The only SAFE place for your sidearm is to drop it in the crotch of your clothes while seated.
Leaving it in the holster only drags your pants down to the floor (ewee, what a mess) for the person in the next stall to see. OOPS.
Putting it on the TP holder doesn't work as most of them are rounded off. No tank in the back on most new toilets - and it would be
OUT OF SIGHT..............AAAGGG.
In any case it is not cause for dragging the person through the very time consuming and costly court system!!!!
Toilet humor aside, and we've probably all been confronted with that at some point if we're everyday gun carriers, I think that as a general rule disorderly conduct requires some form of intentional misconduct. In other words, if you're sitting on a park bench and suddenly jump up screaming "SNAKE SNAKE!!!" and there is a rattlesnake under the bench then you're just a terrified person but if you do that and there is no snake then it's disorderly conduct. If you're walking home from a neighborhood bar and slightly light on your feet you're just a silly drunk but if you're bumping into people and shouting obscenities it's disorderly conduct.
Same in this situation. Lady leaves a gun in the restroom to see what happens when it's found then it's disorderly conduct. Lady leaves a gun in the restroom because she forgot she put it down there it's just first degree stupidity, not disorderly conduct.
They're charging her because they hate her and her gun, not because she committed a minor offense.
And I am a lawyer..........I even play one in real life............
***GRJ***
Same in this situation. Lady leaves a gun in the restroom to see what happens when it's found then it's disorderly conduct. Lady leaves a gun in the restroom because she forgot she put it down there it's just first degree stupidity, not disorderly conduct.
They're charging her because they hate her and her gun, not because she committed a minor offense.
And I am a lawyer..........I even play one in real life............
***GRJ***
MrTrolleyguy
US Veteran
I suspect the local officials will find a middle road here. I imagine they are aware of the bad press generated by the Philadelphia woman who was found to be carrying in NJ earlier this year.
Granny777
Member
found this looking up my own name
Well, this has been interesting. So far, my 5 minute "mistake" has cost me $10,000, many nights of not sleeping - even before any charges. My bathroom system with my gun worked for years. Darn - If I'm not human. I was devastated and cannot begin to tell you the horror this has been for me and my family thanks to the left wing local media. Leaving a gun happens a lot. No one in my County has ever been charged. The ADA's decided they couldn't change the law so they would attempt to get "one of us" charged anyway - this is called legislating from the DA's office. The libs have learned how to get the courts to legislate for them when votes won't give them what they want. The DA's office decided to try too. The DA's office has gotten many calls and emails about my case objecting to prosecutor over-reach. This affects all gun owners if a precedent is set. And, this idea of legislating from the DA's could certainly reach into other areas of our lives. Take heed my fellow gun owners. O - and to the guy who "insulted my sweet little Ruger" Granny has a Glock 42 now
Well, this has been interesting. So far, my 5 minute "mistake" has cost me $10,000, many nights of not sleeping - even before any charges. My bathroom system with my gun worked for years. Darn - If I'm not human. I was devastated and cannot begin to tell you the horror this has been for me and my family thanks to the left wing local media. Leaving a gun happens a lot. No one in my County has ever been charged. The ADA's decided they couldn't change the law so they would attempt to get "one of us" charged anyway - this is called legislating from the DA's office. The libs have learned how to get the courts to legislate for them when votes won't give them what they want. The DA's office decided to try too. The DA's office has gotten many calls and emails about my case objecting to prosecutor over-reach. This affects all gun owners if a precedent is set. And, this idea of legislating from the DA's could certainly reach into other areas of our lives. Take heed my fellow gun owners. O - and to the guy who "insulted my sweet little Ruger" Granny has a Glock 42 now
MrTrolleyguy
US Veteran
Wow!
Granny,
A big welcome to our forum. I am glad you found us. You will find many supportive members here. Believe me when I say that many if not most of us have made some weapons related mistake as civilians, law enforcement officers or during our military years. We I am sure out number those who's out cries are less than understanding. Of course I can only truly speak for my self, still we are an understanding group who help each other.
It is bad luck that your error landed in the media. I wont bash the press but this kind of piling on is not uncommon these days. During my youth this kind of event would have had zero chance that it would have been judged news worthy.
Are you a member of the NRA? If not, this would be the time to sign on and connect with the group. Who knows, you might even find some level of support from them.
Best wishes to you and your family
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