Je suis Charlie

[redlevel]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I wondered the same thing.

I would say that even hard-core communists who mock Christ as well as Mohammed are due the strongest sentiment supporting free expression, and those of us who are Christians and capitalists should be as vehement in denouncing the violent repression of ideologies we despise as we are the repression of our own ideologies.

 

[MOONDAWG]

Freedom not only means tolerance, but willingness to protect the rights on those you disagree with as well. Je suis Charlie, but you can call me "Chuck".

 

[cmort666]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I have the right to mock anything and anyone that suits me, as does anyone else.

I don't care if they were communists or Klingons. The ones who murdered them are filthy animals who want to subjugate the entire world.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. - Pastor Martin Niemöller

 

[-db-]

I wondered the same thing.

I would say that even hard-core communists who mock Christ as well as Mohammed are due the strongest sentiment supporting free expression, and those of us who are Christians and capitalists should be as vehement in denouncing the violent repression of ideologies we despise as we are the repression of our own ideologies.

Good point, which begs the question: where are all the "I am Robert Faurisson/Dieudonné/other Frenchmen imprisoned or otherwise persecuted over speech" posts?

 

[cmort666]

Good point, which begs the question: where are all the "I am Robert Faurisson/Dieudonné/other Frenchmen imprisoned or otherwise persecuted over speech" posts?

I don't believe in imprisoning people for "hate speech" which does not meet the "clear and present danger" test.

I believe in MOCKING them, just as the staff of that magazine mocked the Islamists, and as I have long mocked neo-Nazis and Klansmen. And make no mistake, I have been threatened with death for the latter. I didn't stop mocking them. I just mocked them for failing to act on their IMPOTENT threats. And if they'd shown up? One or both of us would have died... but I'd have died on my feet, NOT my KNEES.

 

[-db-]

You see my point, though, cmort666. France is a nation that fines and locks people up over speech or expression, thus all this talk of liberty and whatnot is rather ironic and empty.

 

[Arik]

You see my point, though, cmort666. France is a nation that fines and locks people up over speech or expression, thus all this talk of liberty and whatnot is rather ironic and empty.

Nope you're right. Good riddance and all!

 

[the ringo kid]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I realized that but--what I agree with--is their mocking the bad guys--which is as far as I go with the ones who were murdered. What I support is the freedom of speeh thing.)

 

[-db-]

Nope you're right. Good riddance and all!

Let's not put words in my mouth now.

I'm simply saying that I, for one, choose not to express solidarity with those who'd like to see me gone, that's all. I suspect others might feel the same were they to know what Charlie Hebdo was really all about. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend.

 

[Arik]

Let's not put words in my mouth now.

I'm simply saying that I, for one, choose not to express solidarity with those who'd like to see me gone, that's all. I suspect others might feel the same were they to know what Charlie Hebdo was really all about.

Yes of course, a bunch of political cartoonists in France what to see you, in America, gone.

 

[cmort666]

I realized that but--what I agree with--is their mocking the bad guys--which is as far as I go with the ones who were murdered.

What's interesting is that those whom he cites (Faurisson, etc.) are, apart from immigration, largely on the SAME sheet of music as the Islamists. Remember, Himmler was the patron of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who was in turn the patron of the Handschar Division of the Waffen SS.

I well remember that immediately prior to 9/11, Dr. William Pierce (now dead), then leader of the neo-Nazi National Alliance published an article PRAISING the Afghan Taliban for their infantile hatred and xenophobia.

Flying rats of a feather...

 

[-db-]

Yes of course, a bunch of political cartoonists in France what to see you, in America, gone.

Communists murdered millions of European and Russian Christians, among others not in agreement with their program. How soon some forget...

 

[cmort666]

The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend.

No, but they can be a useful tool.

I'm glad that the Red Army stopped fighting WITH the Wehrmacht and started fighting AGAINST them.

 

[cmort666]

Communists murdered millions of European and Russian Christians, among others not in agreement with their program. How soon some forget...

And now the Islamists want to follow in their footsteps.

Defeat each enemy in his turn.

 

[Arik]

Communists murdered millions of European Christians, among others not in agreement with their program. How soon some forget...

European Christians murdered many none believers/none Christians who were not in agreement with their program. How soon some forget. It goes both ways.

 

[-db-]

European Christians murdered many none believers who were not in agreement with their program. How soon some forget. It goes both ways.

This might be a good point were we discussing Christians and not communists, but alas. France is, after all, primarily a Christian nation.

 

[Hapworth]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I don't need to think about my support for people who died in service to some of the same ideals enshrined in the U.S. constitution before I "jump on the bandwagon". Apparently some do...

No love for Communism here, but those murdered were idealists who held firmly to principles of free expression in spite of being, literally, firebombed, harassed, stalked, threatened, and publicly marked for execution by proven killers.

And in the face of actual peril, these people didn't back down where many others would.

So, yeah, I'd've disagreed with them on innumerable matters political and social, but you bet I'll sing their praises over a common cause that happens to be fundamental to a free society, a cause they knowingly and willingly placed their lives on the line for and ultimately sacrificed themselves to.

Bandwagon here I come...

 

[moralem]

The French do things thier own way no matter what. How or if they respond will be French in nature and none of us will get it.....they are unique my nature......lest we forget WWII and their approach to another world terrorist by the name of Adoph.

 

[Arik]

This might be a good point were we discussing Christians and not communists, but alas.

Again, what do a bunch of French cartoonists have to do with killer communists. And since you brought it up ...sticking all socialists together and showing the worst is no different than sticking all Christians together and showing the worst

 

[old bear]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I don't care who they poked fun of. They had the right to do so. Don't like what they published,that's OK, just don't read it.

I don't like your post, but I will do everything in my power to see that you have the right to post it, and to keep posting things I may find offensive.......