Je suis Charlie

[Gaëtan]

 

[fat tom]

Pourquoi?
f.t.

 

[Hapworth]

Pourquoi?
f.t.

There was an "incident" in Paris yesterday -- perhaps you heard?

This is a statement of solidarity with the murdered and the ideals they championed.

 

[LVSteve]

Je suis Charlie, aussi.

 

[Mike McLellan]

We are all Charlie.

 

[kaaskop49]

If anyone else on this Forum is familiar with the words of "La Marseillaise," the French national anthem, and I'm sure there are many,those words are ALL appropriate at this moment.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

 

[cmort666]

Perhaps "Je Suis Charles Martel" would be a BETTER motto:

Battle of Tours

 

[Arik]

Jes suis Chalie!

 

[cmort666]

Je suis Charles Martel!

 

[M E Morrison]

I hope this doesn't sound too petty, but it would have meant more if there was an English translation for us non-French speakers.

 

[kaaskop49]

Let us also remember another cartoonist/satirist from either Denmark or the Netherlands was butchered several years ago for committing a similar "offense."

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

 

[M E Morrison]

Let us also remember another cartoonist/satirist from either Denmark or the Netherlands was butchered several years ago for committing a similar "offense."

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

IIRC, there was one from each country.

 

[erics]

One of those killed is reported to have been a body guard to one of the cartoonists that was also killed. So maybe not totally a surprise. An unarmed bodyguard?

 

[-db-]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

 

[V1 Rotate]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I hope Gaetan doesn't judge all of the forum based on this post.

I'd be ashamed if he did. Bill S

 

[Arik]

I hope this doesn't sound too petty, but it would have meant more if there was an English translation for us non-French speakers.

We are Charlie

 

[kaaskop49]

One of those killed is reported to have been a body guard to one of the cartoonists that was also killed. So maybe not totally a surprise. An unarmed bodyguard?

I don't quite know how effective a civilian bodyguard can be against a military-style raid with automatic weapons blasting. I read the bodyguard was in the meeting room. Any resistance from that room and a grenade would have gone in.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

 

[hoc9sw]

Twelve dead, including Police officers, dead for doing less offensive things than I've done, does not sound like a "bandwagon".

I've been in countries where you did not dare take a newspaper to breakfast, lest you "soil" the picture of the fearless leader on the banner, a crime punishable by death.

If I want to be able to say something offensive about someone else's beliefs, I had best be ready to allow them the same right. I've never killed anyone for mocking my religious beliefs.

"Bandwagon". Funeral march for a bit of liberty would be a better description.

 

[Arik]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

Lock in 3.....2.....1.

A) they are still people who didn't do anything to deserve being executed. So should Democrats be shot too? How about if you're a Dem? Should Republicans be shot?

B) Mock away! I mock them all. Your beliefs are not mine. And here lies the problem. People getting insulted over negative portrayal of two thousand year old dead guys.

 

[M E Morrison]

We are Charlie

Thank you!

 

[redlevel]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I wondered the same thing.

I would say that even hard-core communists who mock Christ as well as Mohammed are due the strongest sentiment supporting free expression, and those of us who are Christians and capitalists should be as vehement in denouncing the violent repression of ideologies we despise as we are the repression of our own ideologies.

 

[MOONDAWG]

Freedom not only means tolerance, but willingness to protect the rights on those you disagree with as well. Je suis Charlie, but you can call me "Chuck".

 

[cmort666]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I have the right to mock anything and anyone that suits me, as does anyone else.

I don't care if they were communists or Klingons. The ones who murdered them are filthy animals who want to subjugate the entire world.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. - Pastor Martin Niemöller

 

[-db-]

I wondered the same thing.

I would say that even hard-core communists who mock Christ as well as Mohammed are due the strongest sentiment supporting free expression, and those of us who are Christians and capitalists should be as vehement in denouncing the violent repression of ideologies we despise as we are the repression of our own ideologies.

Good point, which begs the question: where are all the "I am Robert Faurisson/Dieudonné/other Frenchmen imprisoned or otherwise persecuted over speech" posts?

 

[cmort666]

Good point, which begs the question: where are all the "I am Robert Faurisson/Dieudonné/other Frenchmen imprisoned or otherwise persecuted over speech" posts?

I don't believe in imprisoning people for "hate speech" which does not meet the "clear and present danger" test.

I believe in MOCKING them, just as the staff of that magazine mocked the Islamists, and as I have long mocked neo-Nazis and Klansmen. And make no mistake, I have been threatened with death for the latter. I didn't stop mocking them. I just mocked them for failing to act on their IMPOTENT threats. And if they'd shown up? One or both of us would have died... but I'd have died on my feet, NOT my KNEES.

 

[-db-]

You see my point, though, cmort666. France is a nation that fines and locks people up over speech or expression, thus all this talk of liberty and whatnot is rather ironic and empty.

 

[Arik]

You see my point, though, cmort666. France is a nation that fines and locks people up over speech or expression, thus all this talk of liberty and whatnot is rather ironic and empty.

Nope you're right. Good riddance and all!

 

[the ringo kid]

I wonder how many of those proclaiming "I/we are Charlie" realize the magazine's deceased staff were hardcore communists who not only crudely mocked Mohammed but also Christ, among others?

Just something to think about before jumping on a bandwagon...

I realized that but--what I agree with--is their mocking the bad guys--which is as far as I go with the ones who were murdered. What I support is the freedom of speeh thing.)

 

[-db-]

Nope you're right. Good riddance and all!

Let's not put words in my mouth now.

I'm simply saying that I, for one, choose not to express solidarity with those who'd like to see me gone, that's all. I suspect others might feel the same were they to know what Charlie Hebdo was really all about. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend.

 

[Arik]

Let's not put words in my mouth now.

I'm simply saying that I, for one, choose not to express solidarity with those who'd like to see me gone, that's all. I suspect others might feel the same were they to know what Charlie Hebdo was really all about.

Yes of course, a bunch of political cartoonists in France what to see you, in America, gone.