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I've often wondered if any armed force sent there to wipe them out wiould end up in a Nam type situation.

That would happen if, and only if, we ever make the mistake of allowing a war to be run from the White House instead of setting clear objectives for a military solution, then allowing the military to perform as intended.

Short version: no more political checker games. When hostile elements and regimes learn that when they pull the tiger's tail the tiger will quickly rip their faces off, then the nonsense can be expected to become less frequent.

No more nation building. No more schools and hospitals. No more "hearts and minds" programs. When a situation calls for a military solution it should be dealt with in an overwhelming manner, quickly, then we walk away and leave them licking their wounds. Take out all military targets, take out all communications, take out all infrastructure (power plants, transportation, manufacturing, water, sewer, and everything else necessary to a functional society), beat them so completely and decisively that the survivors beg for an opportunity to rejoin the world of civilized nations. Then walk away and leave the lesson to be learned readily apparent for the next generation.

If we must send in ground forces the rules of engagement should be crystal clear to all concerned, with force protection the ultimate priority. If our forces come under fire from a residential area that area should be utterly destroyed. If our forces come under attack from a religious institution or site that location should cease to exist. Military facilities located in civilian hospitals or schools remain as legitimate targers. If hostile forces use civilians to shield themselves as they engage our troops they should expect to fall on very bloody ground, and the next time they try it they won't be able to convince civilians to shield them again.

Nothing wrong with observing international conventions on civilized warfare when engaged with civilized opponents. When engaged with those who flaunt all vestiges of civilized behavior there is only one reasonable response, and that is to eradicate them and all who support them.

During WW2 if there was a ball bearing factory located in a German town, and that factory supplied ball bearings for a tank factory, the town was destroyed. Housing projects for workers at the ball bearing factory were targets secondary only to the actual factory itself. The goal was simple; destroy all capability and will to resist.

Deployment of nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a horrible thing; however the prospect of invading the Japanese homeland with ground forces included projected losses of hundreds of thousands of Allied forces, including American servicemen. Japan capitulated almost immediately, and millions of lives were saved (including many, many Japanese military and civilians).

Over 12 years in Afghanistan, and nearly 12 in Iraq, and the carnage continues and grows. Might we have been better off had the decision been made to pound those nations into the dust until they begged for peace? Might there have been fewer casualties in the long run, even with an overwhelmingly decisive, and short, campaign than what we continue to count on a daily basis? I think it is likely.

I am not suggesting that we "nuke" those who attack us. I am simply saying that we have an overwhelming capacity to make life so miserable, to literally return entire regions to the stone age within a few weeks or months, forcing the bulk of the population to make changes in their national government, behavior, and alliances to avoid any possibility of ever facing the effects of such foolishness again. All of this can be accomplished with conventional weapons intelligently applied by experienced military leaders freed from excessive interference by political nonsense.

Rant over.
 
All of this can be accomplished with conventional weapons intelligently applied by experienced military leaders freed from excessive interference by political nonsense.

Rant over.

Lobo.....I don't think that the current situation could have been put forth any better than what you have done.....thank you......................and now the countdown to getting this thread officially locked is on......3...................2...............1....................................
 
I have watched a lot of the ISIS videos, and this one was especially horrifying - and I'm not even talking about the death sequence, which is too gruesome to watch. The horrifying part is the high-def video quality, the pre-staged scenes that are way too professionally made, the perfect zooming takes with the prisoner forced to lift his head and stare at the camera on cue - a shot that must have required multiple takes to get right. The whole package is perfectly edited, from modern graphics, to mixed music and voiceover. Even without the sickening ending, the horror comes in the realization that this is not some gang of wannabes in the Afghan mountains. This is the real A-team. This is not some shoddy snuff film, but a piece of cinematic propaganda that is so well executed (pardon the pun) that it sends chills down your spine. They have access to all the modern conveniences, from HD cameras and editing software, to fancy new clean uniforms and weapons that are much higher quality than the battered antique AK that used to rest behind Bin Laden. When you see this video - again, without even needed to see the death portion - you will be absolutely perplexed that we aren't doing anything significant to combat it.
 
the outpouring of condemnation for this act from the Muslim world is deafening. Exceptionally vocal are the moderates............

OH WAIT!!!! It's just the same incriminating silence we hear following each one of these subhuman acts.
 
I have a two word solution to the problem. Those of you who know will know exactly what I mean. Can anyone say "Arc Light". As many as it takes. Start at one end of the country and work your way to the other end until you get to the next border.
 
Some of our "leaders" still insist on fighting by the Marquess of Queensberry rules when dealing with terrorists. Sadly, such a mindset is impractical. Savagery begs to be met by savagery, not diplomacy. Until a zero tolerance scorched earth policy is put into place with respect to ISIS, al Queda, etc. these groups will proliferate and continue carrying out their nefarious deeds.
 
They have set the rules of conflict, so use it!

They ignore all rules of Christian decency, so why do we follow nice rules of Islamic behavior?

#1 rule of conflict, fight terror with terror.
To do that, make the issue weapon of choice for our troops a shotgun, - loaded with buckshot, - buffered with bacon bits.
 
Fantasizing about democratizing Iraq was wrongheaded from the beginning.

What is needed is another ruthless secular mass murderer dictator like Saddam. And best of all, he hated Iran. Get another Saddam with an army, and ISIS will be nothing more than a marker on a mass grave. Then start another 10 year war with Iran and we'll supply the chemical weapons and poison gas. Get things back to normal. Secular madmen killing Islamist fanatics is the key to a better world.
 
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