Un- documented gun

[Cpo1944]

I have my CCP ,but most often carry an un-documented firearm. What are the implications or problems associated with that?
Just wondering if I happen to be stopped and checked. Will the officer do a serial number check on the gun and what happens if he does and finds its not registered to me?

 

[ronnie gore]

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there is no data base of gun owners, it is illegal for the gov. to compile one at this time.
if an officer does check your gun he will only be checking to see if it is a stolen gun. every gun I pick up from an individual I get the numbers run to make sure it is not stolen.

 

[kraynky]

If you're sure it's not stolen then there's nothing to worry about, and if you knew it was stolen you wouldn't be in possession of it. Right? I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[gen3guy]

Here in Arizona that is a non-issue. Not a prohibited person? Have a gun? Good to go.

 

[Old cop]

As has been said there is no federal or state registration requirement for handguns. If your gun is not stolen there is no problem.

 

[scooter123]

Does South Carolina have Handgun Registration? If you don't know, shame on you and your CCP Instructor. Because knowing ALL of the applicable Firearms Laws for your Home State is part of the process for obtaining in every state I know of that requires Training and Certification for a Permit. Even if that isn't part of the training for SC you really should get yourself up to speed on the laws in your state before you ever walk out the door with a firearm.

So, end of reminder of your responsibilities for knowing applicable Laws while carrying.

If your state does NOT have Handgun Registration an "undocumented handgun" does not exist in your state. If your state does have Handgun Registration the simple possession of an unregistered handgun could be either a Misdemeanor or Felony depending on the Laws in your State. For example in Michigan it's a First Degree Misdemeanor, in New York State it's a Felony. In Michigan being convicted of a First Degree Misdemeanor means that at least 7 years must pass after that conviction and time served before you will ever be qualified to apply for a Concealed Pistol License. In New York conviction of a Felony means that you can never ever handle a firearm or ammunition for the rest of your life. Are you starting to understand the reason for my lecture at the beginning of my reply?

Do your Due Diligence and get yourself up to speed on the Laws in your State. Because relying on answers given on an internet forum is simply a good way to put yourself in Harms Way.

PS: I looked and the training for your permit was supposed to include instruction in applicable Laws and a demonstration of competence in knowing those Laws before your training certificate was signed.

 

[Aticus]

I have my CCP ,but most often carry an un-documented firearm. What are the implications or problems associated with that?
Just wondering if I happen to be stopped and checked. Will the officer do a serial number check on the gun and what happens if he does and finds its not registered to me?

Check your state law. You must follow YOUR STATE LAW not what you're told on the web.

 

[ClayCow]

I have my CCP ,but most often carry an un-documented firearm. What are the implications or problems associated with that?
Just wondering if I happen to be stopped and checked. Will the officer do a serial number check on the gun and what happens if he does and finds its not registered to me?

Its documented aomewhere via a sale unless you built it or someone else did. Check your state laws. Itd be good to read as a ccw

 

[BAM-BAM]

What is an "un-documented firearm"......I have no idea...... did it cross our southern border ????? Does " un-documented firearm" have a legal definition?

Does your State list on your "permit" the gun(s) you may carry?


Scooter..... too much caffeine..........??????? Good advice ..but.. just dial it back a notch .......there are 50 states out there ........ what is a first degree misdemeanor in Mich.???? I can't tell from your post..........

 

[OKFC05]

North Caroline says, in part:

Under North Carolina law, it is unlawful for any person, firm, or corporation to sell, give
away, transfer, purchase, or receive, at any place in the State, any pistol, unless the purchaser or
receiver has first obtained a license or permit to receive such a pistol by the sheriff of the county
where the purchaser or receiver resides, or the purchaser or receiver possesses a valid North
Carolina issued concealed carry permit. This requirement to obtain a permit prior to the transfer
of a pistol applies not only to a commercial transaction, typically at a sporting goods store, but
also between private individuals or companies throughout North Carolina. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-
402(a).
In addition, this State law has been interpreted to require that a pistol permit be obtained by
the receiver of a handgun when such person inherits a pistol as a result of the death of another
person. The permit should be given to and retained by the seller or donor of the handgun. In such
a case, the permit should be given to the executor or receiver of the estate of the deceased person.
If the purchaser or receiver uses a North Carolina issued concealed carry permit for the transfer,

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the seller should reference such permit on a bill of sale.

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Since you state you have a North Carolina concealed carry permit, what exactly is the "other documentation" you think you need?​

 

[Cpo1944]

Back in the "good old days" we had a newspaper type publication called the "Triad Trading Post " and it was perfectly legal to buy and sell guns by individuals. There was no such thing as bills of sale or receipts just an exchange of money and possibly a hand shake. There are plenty of those paper free guns all around NC. I did my CCW a long time ago and don't remember all of the details not that I paid that much attention to such stuff. Also what about guns we were given as gifts sometimes long ago prior to the current laws and required permits and such?

 

[hoc9sw]

I have more than one firearm that I have owned since, well, a few days after the jurassic age. They are not "documented" anywhere, nor do I expect them to be.

It depends on your state -
What Scooter said ....

 

[Watchdog]

Does South Carolina have Handgun Registration?

Well, the OP is in Winston Salem, North Carolina...so he probably isn't real concerned about South Carolina gun laws at the moment.

 

[shawn mccarver]

My recommendation is that you talk to an attorney knowledgeable about firearms law who is licensed in your state. Period.

By the way, whatever the law is in your state, do YOU understand it to be illegal to have an "undocumented gun" (whatever that is)? If you think you should not have such a gun because it is illegal, do you think it is a good idea to carry it?

On the other hand, if your ownership or possession of said "undocumented gun" is completely legal, then that may still not fully answer the question. For example, some states (such as New York, from what I have heard) only allow a person to carry a weapon listed on the concealed carry permit. Therefore, a person might own plenty of guns legally, but the person may not legally carry any that are not listed on the face of the permit.

Thus, it MIGHT be a complex question in your state, involving interpretation of several different state and federal laws, which goes back to my original statement that you should get a lawyer licensed in your state who knows about these matters.

 

[Squarebutt]

If there is a state rifle and pistol organization they often have the correct info in cases like this. If the law doesn't require you to "document" your old guns, you're fine.

 

[cmort666]

I have my CCP ,but most often carry an un-documented firearm.

Purely a state and local matter.

There's no such thing as a "documented" gun in Ohio, apart from NFA firearms.

We have neither owner licensing nor registration.

An Ohio CHL makes no reference to any specific firearm.

ALL guns are "undocumented" here and we intend to keep it that way.

 

[Rastoff]

there is no data base of gun owners, it is illegal for the gov. to compile one at this time.

Sorry, but this is simply wrong. If you know of a law preventing a database of gun owners, please post a link to it.

Even if it is illegal, the government, both federal and state, require that every new gun be recorded and that record be kept forever. When you fill out a 4473, the FFL who sells you that gun is required to keep that 4473 in perpetuity. It's not an electronic database and it will take a while to find the info, but it is there.

Do not fool yourselves into thinking the government isn't keeping records.

 

[Faulkner]

Sorry, but this is simply wrong. If you know of a law preventing a database of gun owners, please post a link to it.

Even if it is illegal, the government, both federal and state, require that every new gun be recorded and that record be kept forever. When you fill out a 4473, the FFL who sells you that gun is required to keep that 4473 in perpetuity. It's not an electronic database and it will take a while to find the info, but it is there.

Do not fool yourselves into thinking the government isn't keeping records.

Google is your friend:

"4473 forms are given the same status as a tax return under the Privacy Act of 1974 and cannot be disclosed by the government to private parties or other government officials except in accordance with the Privacy Act . . . . Dealers are required to maintain completed forms for 20 years in the case of completed sales, and for 5 years where the sale was disapproved as a result of the NICS check."

 

[Absalom]

........There was no such thing as bills of sale or receipts just an exchange of money and possibly a hand shake. There are plenty of those paper free guns all around NC......... Also what about guns we were given as gifts sometimes long ago prior to the current laws and required permits and such?

Bills of sale or receipts are nice, but they are not registrations or government documents and really no more than a "paper handshake" in most cases.
There are lots of "paper-free" guns all over the country. Unless you live in one of those states where guns have to be registered (and that's for you to know), a gun NOT showing up when a cop checks it by running its serial number is a GOOD thing, and means you're fine.

 

[italiansport]

Purely a state and local matter.

There's no such thing as a "documented" gun in Ohio, apart from NFA firearms.

We have neither owner licensing nor registration.

An Ohio CHL makes no reference to any specific firearm.

ALL guns are "undocumented" here and we intend to keep it that way.

Ditto for Arizona. Unless you buy a brand new pistol from a dealer it generally is not 'documented" nor readily traceable unless it has been reported as stolen.
We will fight tooth and nail against the mandatory registration requirement imposed in Washington and probably next in Oregon. Mandatory registration is the last step before confiscation.
Jim