Victim Tried to Defend Himself and Gun Jammed
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Rick_A
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Revolvers do jam.
There's plenty that have sat in the drawer for too long and are gummed up/locked up tight.
Enough debris or fouling will do the same.
Maintain your weapons and shoot them enough to be proficient.
I've had the same autos for 17+ years and all they've needed is magazine springs and recoil springs.
I like my revolvers just the same, but nothing is infallible and the human element is always the #1 factor.
There's plenty that have sat in the drawer for too long and are gummed up/locked up tight.
Enough debris or fouling will do the same.
Maintain your weapons and shoot them enough to be proficient.
I've had the same autos for 17+ years and all they've needed is magazine springs and recoil springs.
I like my revolvers just the same, but nothing is infallible and the human element is always the #1 factor.
wheelgunguy
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I read about this on another forum and found the affidavit and an update.
The original robbery in the mattress store Mr. London used a revolver to shoot the gang banger. Made me wonder if he went with a semi for capacity.
He did have dogs. Son told police he heard them before the door opened and then heard gunshots. He was in his bedroom at the time.
Here is a link to the update and affidavit. The affidavit tells just how horrific this story is.
FBI document reveals details on jail cell search, killing of Lak - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC
The original robbery in the mattress store Mr. London used a revolver to shoot the gang banger. Made me wonder if he went with a semi for capacity.
He did have dogs. Son told police he heard them before the door opened and then heard gunshots. He was in his bedroom at the time.
Here is a link to the update and affidavit. The affidavit tells just how horrific this story is.
FBI document reveals details on jail cell search, killing of Lak - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC
Very, very sad . . .
keith44spl
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Prayers for the family members.
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okiegtrider
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I sometimes work with crime victims. I occassionally fear that something like this might happen to one of them. Terrifying, sad tale.
Another possibility is that he fired one handed and the pistol wasn't properly supported during recoil, thus causing the stovepipe. If we're going to second guess, this would be the frontrunner.
Certainly possible.
I agree with the possibility that the gun jammed due to limp-wristing. So many people practice at the range using a perfect two handed grip from a solid stance, but real defense situations happen suddenly and are reactive, so there's a good chance you'll be shooting one handed with a less than perfect grip all while in motion or at best from an unorthodox stance or position. You must practice like this, especially if you depend on a autoloader. I can't imagine having time to clear a malfunction in any realistic civilian self-defense scenario.
An imperfect grip led to a jam during one of Lance Thomas' engagements. No reloads or clearing malfunctions for him, just more guns TexasCHLforum.com ? View topic - The Ayoob files: The lessons of Lance Thomas
An imperfect grip led to a jam during one of Lance Thomas' engagements. No reloads or clearing malfunctions for him, just more guns TexasCHLforum.com ? View topic - The Ayoob files: The lessons of Lance Thomas
DocB
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Yup, nothing but a revolver or a pump shotgun for home defense. These new auto pistols really stink to me, and I have about every one they make. Still nothing like an AR platform under the bed just in case a crowd gathers.
Harkrader
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Not an expert, I can only say I am a firm believer that the best reload is another gun.
Short stroking a pump gun is as easy as limp-wristing.
The malfunction video in Post 21 is excellent, this is how I was trained when we transitioned from our .38 to the Glock 23. The difference is we did these drills over and over and over during an 4 hour range day (exhausting), but we learned. We did not set up our own malfunctions, the range officers did, so we had no idea what was coming or when. They say Glocks don't malfunction, eventually they do but it is unusual.
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Rastoff
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When I read the title I figured this would devolve into a "bash the semi-auto" type of thread. Thankfully it hasn't become that. Still, this statement is patently wrong.
This is what we all should do; carry the gun we are comfortable with. We should practice with it often. I hear lots of guys say, "I shoot just fine." Yeah, while your at the range and the weather is nice. What about when your life is on the line?
I have one 1911 with over 7,200 rounds through it without a failure. That doesn't mean it won't have a malfunction on the next round. Therefore, I practice malfunction drills constantly. I have revolvers with over 2K rounds through them and none of them have failed either. Still, it happens and I've seen it. What will you do then?
The key here is to have a back up plan. It might be another gun, a club, a chair or running. It doesn't matter what it is, have one. Having one won't save you either, but it will give you a chance.
This is a sad story, but one we can learn from.
That's what I have gone to. Crossdraw S&W 640 with Crimson Trace. Strong side S&W M&P 340. Both loaded with Gold Dot 38 Special +P 135 grain short barrel. Excellent accuracy with that Gold Dot load. I wear a Harley Davidson denim vest year round.
If I have to go to a stupid place where there are stupid people I will substitute the 640 for a .44 or a 1911.
Arik
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Yes but could just as easily be limp wristing or bad ammo
Alk8944
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I am still trying to figure out what this means!!!!!!! Doesn't anyone proof read and correct their posts so they make sense?
OTOH, This entire thread is a sorry example of Monday morning quarterbacking. None of you has any idea of the failure mode of the victim's firearm(s). There are a lot of possibilities, but no one can say if any of the conjecture had any bearing on the situation whatsoever. The general tone is that in someway being killed by the bandits was due to some failure by the victims, that there was something they didn't do that they should have done. Go harp on on one of the self-defense forums with the rest of the wannabees if you think your "failure drills", etc. would have changed the outcome!
The sad fact is that most people who buy handguns for self-defense think all it takes is buying a gun and ammunition and if a bad situation arises that merely having the gun will somehow make everything work out. 'Taint so!!! The Londons may or not have fallen into this group, but if they did all that makes them is absolutely like 90+% of the gun-owning population, non-shooters!
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This tragic situation, a planned hit by multiple assailants, has many unanswered questions which may never be answered.
We don't know whether Mr. London's pistol was on his person when the attack began or how long it took him to get it into action.
We don't know whether he had already been shot one or more times before he got off his single round. (How much malfunction clearing practice have you had after being shot? How limp might your wrist be if you fired while falling after being shot?)
We don't know, therefore, whether the outcome would have been any different had he been armed with a revolver, a pump shotgun, a larger caliber or an Uzi.
What we do know is that he resisted armed violence twice in a short period of time - once successfully and, tragically, once unsuccessfully.
As I see it the lesson is plan, train, practice situational awareness and do your best. Your chances are a lot better that way, but there are no guarantees.
The rotten, low-life maggot punk got one thing right: it's up to the court now. May the judge and jury have as much guts as the Londons.
We don't know whether Mr. London's pistol was on his person when the attack began or how long it took him to get it into action.
We don't know whether he had already been shot one or more times before he got off his single round. (How much malfunction clearing practice have you had after being shot? How limp might your wrist be if you fired while falling after being shot?)
We don't know, therefore, whether the outcome would have been any different had he been armed with a revolver, a pump shotgun, a larger caliber or an Uzi.
What we do know is that he resisted armed violence twice in a short period of time - once successfully and, tragically, once unsuccessfully.
As I see it the lesson is plan, train, practice situational awareness and do your best. Your chances are a lot better that way, but there are no guarantees.
The rotten, low-life maggot punk got one thing right: it's up to the court now. May the judge and jury have as much guts as the Londons.
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