$ 3000.+ Pistols

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Arik said:
You're full of it!!!! :D

Actually the way you describe the 1911 is exectly the way I want mine. Don't need it to guarantee any kind of bullseye at 50 yards. All I want is center mass reliable gun. That's all it was ever ment to be. The sniper crowd took it and ran with it and now if it can't land one bullet inside the next it's no good. All I wish for it to be is today's superior metallurgy with the reliability of the originals.

BTW I own a Springfield TRP
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These <SPRINGFIELD> are probably the best target guns for the money. I haven't shot one yet but I did see a friend bench a 3 inch 5 shot group at 50 yards with a Range Officer.
 
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There's the folks who are happy with an $11 TIMEX and those who strive to be able to afford a ROLEX.

Those of you here who can't ascertain the differences between a low tier 1911 and a WILSON or Ed Brown...I truly feel sorry for you.

These thread make me think that many of you type out your disdain for the finer firearms to subconsciously feel better as you cant appreciate or afford them.

FN in MT
 
Arik said:
You're full of it!!!! :D

Actually the way you describe the 1911 is exectly the way I want mine. Don't need it to guarantee any kind of bullseye at 50 yards. All I want is center mass reliable gun. That's all it was ever ment to be. The sniper crowd took it and ran with it and now if it can't land one bullet inside the next it's no good. All I wish for it to be is today's superior metallurgy with the reliability of the originals.

BTW I own a Springfield TRP
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One of the things I enjoy most about the 1911 pistol is that it can be customized to be practically anything you want. You can have incredible accuracy with sacrificing reliability. All of my 1911s are reliable, accurate pistols first, any cosmetics are secondary to function. The beauty of it is that reliability, accuracy, and good looks are not mutually exclusive.



Onomea said:
I've been "culling the herd " as they say.

Gosh, I have owned some beautiful, beautiful guns, S&W Registered Magnums, Colt Officer Models from three decades. Bowen custom gun, etc. Wilson Combat Supergrade. And more. W&K 44 HEs.

Recently, last coupla years, I have been unloading them. Passing them on. It's time.

I am down to — handguns — about a half dozen or so now. I have kept the ones that I have had worked on, tuned up, by a great revolversmith.

But I enjoyed all those high-end handguns that I owned. Even the few, the very few, that I did not shoot.

Holding them in my hand, considering their pasts, with a glass of a well heeled bourbon at my side, was a pleasure I will not forget.

So, just saying and all, there is a pleasure to be had through researching the history of various guns, tracking them down, acquiring them, enjoying them for a few -- or more -- years and then, if it feels right, letting them go.

We ain't all great pistoleros. But, we can all appreciate the great pistols.

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Catch and release. (To use Michael Stern's very apt phrase.)
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I sold a lot of very nice vintage customs built by Behlert, Clark, and others, and many other desirable guns several years ago. Wanted to cut back on numbers, change my focus a bit, and put some money into other things. I kept the important ones, the stuff I really loved and wanted to pass on to my son. I've since gotten into some other builds, bought a couple of long guns I always wanted, rekindled my love of old cars and hot rodding with a '66 Thunderbird. Clearing out the safe was one of the smartest moves I've made, tough to do at the time, but the pay off has been big for me.

I've still got plenty of pictures of all of them and sometimes it's amazing to think about some of the guns that have passed through my hands. But they're being enjoyed by other folks now that are probably getting more out of them than I did.
 
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Frank237 said:
There's the folks who are happy with an $11 TIMEX and those who strive to be able to afford a ROLEX.

Those of you here who can't ascertain the differences between a low tier 1911 and a WILSON or Ed Brown...I truly feel sorry for you.

These thread make me think that many of you type out your disdain for the finer firearms to subconsciously feel better as you cant appreciate or afford them.

FN in MT
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Well, I know and can ascertain the difference between a a low tier 1911 and a WILSON or Ed Brown. Just feel that a low tier fully reliable 1911 is what the gun was originally made to be. Want to gussie it up and go hi-brow that's cool with me. Seems that lots of people do. I CAN appreciate them and I CAN afford them-I just see no real use for me. As long as I have my S&W that is dead reliable and can put bullits in center mass at 7 yards all day long,it is doing what it was originally built to do and for which I purchased it. I would like to be able to shoot 50 yard one shot groups with a WIlson or an Ed Brown but I just plain don't have the time or inlination to practice that much. Ergo no need for anything more fancy than my S&W.
Now on the other hand I DO own a Rolex cause even though it can't tell time better than a timex it does say that I am a man of wealth and taste-and for that I need no practice :D
 
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H Richard said:
The "custom" build 1911 is a thing of beauty, and often the beauty is inside the gun. Hand fitting a 1911 for the ultimate accuracy, and trigger pull is expensive. Minimum gunsmith time is worth $60-$70 p/hr, and it isn't just the run of the mill gunsmith that creates these masterpieces. Many of you may have never heard of Richard Heinie, but he is regarded as one of the finest pistol-smiths in country. People are willing to pay $3000 to $5000 and wait up to 5 to 7 years for a Heinie 1911. You can get Nighthawk approved by Heinie, as he is trying to retire. If you ever handled and shot one of his creations you would understand. You will seldom ever see one for sale, as those that order them keep them and pass them on to their children. There are quite a number of these "Artists" that reach this level of mastery of the craft, but you will pay large sums of money for the honor of having one of the finest.
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Well said! Handguns at that price point reflect the "craftsmanship" required to built them. They are NOT to be compared to mass produced 1911's that are available for a fraction of the price.

It's not a question of whether a less expensive model can suffice for defensive purposes - of course they can, but if you ever pick up and press the trigger, work the slide, examine the machining and fit....let alone SHOOT one of those works of art, THEN you will understand!

I am saving for a Ed Brown Executive Carry model. Though it is designed for carry mine will never be used for that purpose. I am confident that were it ever used in a defensive shooting I would never see it again, and that would sicken me.
 
If I want to shoot 2" groups at 50 yds, I use my 8 3/8" 27-2. If I want to shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yds, I use my 30-30 contender. Each is a better tool for that than a 1911.

In my youth, I hit 105mm ammo boxes at 100 yds with a Ballester-Molina that someone had put a match barrel in. I wish that I still had that it.
 
LouisianaJoe said:
If I want to shoot 2" groups at 50 yds, I use my 8 3/8" 27-2. If I want to shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yds, I use my 30-30 contender. Each is a better tool for that than a 1911.

In my youth, I hit 105mm ammo boxes at 100 yds with a Ballester-Molina that someone had put a match barrel in. I wish that I still had that it.
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If I want to do any of that, I'll grab a rifle.:D
 
It's just a matter of taste and money. You can get to where you want to go if you drive a Yugo or a Corvette. Same thing with guns, if they accomplish the task, then you've done what you want them to do. To the bad guy, if he has several .45 cal. holes in his body, he really doesn't care if it came from a $300 or $3000 gun.
 
7shooter said:
Gun magazines frequently have articles praising 1911s which cost more than $3000. describing how great they are for self defense. It's hard to see how those pistols would in any way be more functional and effective than M&Ps or Glocks in the same caliber but with higher capacity at a fraction of a cost.

Has anyone here bought one or know someone who has ?

I don't.
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Heck I have a 1911, but there is no way that it is better than a Glock or an M&P. And I did not pay $3,000 bucks for it either. Let's just say, that I WON'T pay that much.
 
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