DWalt
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The Cigarette Man shooting from a storm sewer drain did it.
Newsmax network "I killed JFK"
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cowart
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That show is actually from last year. You can view it on Youtube. Use the search string "i killed jfk newsmax".
GatorFarmer
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Woody Harrelson...his father father was one of the tramps in Dallas that day, and can be seen in photos. Harrelson Sr. really was a hitman. He went to prison for the assassination of a Federal Judge. At one point the elder Mr. Harrelson admitted to a role in the JFK assassination but later right recanted.
While filming Natural Born Killers, Oliver Stone reportedly "directed" by yelling "Be your Dad Woody!" as advice.
While filming Natural Born Killers, Oliver Stone reportedly "directed" by yelling "Be your Dad Woody!" as advice.
Atlee this point...I don't really care anymore.
The only thing to get the channel changed quicker than the Kennedy assassination is anything to do with the Kardasheans.
The only thing to get the channel changed quicker than the Kennedy assassination is anything to do with the Kardasheans.
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I have read many books and watched many programs in regards, but I have to agree with the Bonar Menningers theory in his book Mortal Error! It just makes too much sense and I'm sure Mr. Holmes would have to agree!
I will have to watch for that on my Dish. That stuff is always interesting even if not true.
What I have always considered suspcious is that the Warren Commission locked away all the evidence and files until the year 2017, knowing full well that most everyone involved would be gone.
Now that just doesn't pass the smell test.
Maybe it's not because of who killed Kennedy, but during the investigation you have to know that many other classified and dark info was uncovered. Maybe next year we'll know exactly what happened.
What I have always considered suspcious is that the Warren Commission locked away all the evidence and files until the year 2017, knowing full well that most everyone involved would be gone.
Now that just doesn't pass the smell test.
Maybe it's not because of who killed Kennedy, but during the investigation you have to know that many other classified and dark info was uncovered. Maybe next year we'll know exactly what happened.
JohnHL
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I have reached the conclusion that the Kennedy assassination could only be the most brilliantly conceived and flawlessly executed conspiracy in the history of mankind....
or it was a nutcase with a mail order rifle.
John
or it was a nutcase with a mail order rifle.
John
You missed one biggie. I feel that Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and the rest of the "we have been visited before" crew have a very good explanation of just what happened.
JohnHL
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You missed one biggie. I feel that Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and the rest of the "we have been visited before" crew have a very good explanation of just what happened.
I had considered that, but I dismissed that notion because any civilization that had mastered the intricacies of interstellar travel would have employed a more technologically advanced form of terminal lethality.
Now had he been shot with a GyroJet Pistol....
John
LVSteve
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You missed one biggie. I feel that Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and the rest of the "we have been visited before" crew have a very good explanation of just what happened.
This assumes that a race capable of interstellar travel would give a rat's about a bunch of naked apes with a strong appetite for self annihilation. Develop warp drive just to mess with the inhabitants of backwards planets? That has to be the ultimate definition of wasted talent.
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Judge Crater did it. Then Amelia Earhart flew him to Graceland on Elvis's jet. The smaller one, not the big Convair.
THE PILGRIM
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The whole thing is just strange.
Like Oswald- he defected to the USSR. How many people have you ever heard of who did that?
Then he came back, got a menial job- the only kind he was qualified for.
The job was in a multistory building where the U.S. Prez would pass by real slow in an open car.
If that was in movie you wouldn't buy it!
Like Oswald- he defected to the USSR. How many people have you ever heard of who did that?
Then he came back, got a menial job- the only kind he was qualified for.
The job was in a multistory building where the U.S. Prez would pass by real slow in an open car.
If that was in movie you wouldn't buy it!
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The JFK assassination was the result of a conspiracy among the CIA, the Mafia, and Howard Hughes.
Howard Hughes had a long-standing feud with the Kennedys, dating all the way back to old Joe Kennedy's forays into bootlegging and movie-making.
The Mafia despised JFK and his brother, Bobby. JFK because he wimped out on the Bay of Pigs invasion by refusing to authorize more air support, causing the invasion to fail. The Mafia had millions of dollars invested in Cuban casinos/resorts. When Castro took over, he "nationalized" all the casinos, depriving the Mafia of millions of dollars a day in profits. Mafia leaders, especially Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, believed that if Castro could be kicked out, they could reclaim their casinos and their profits from gambling and prostitution in Cuba.
They hated Bobby Kennedy because of his ongoing attempts to put Jimmy Hoffa in prison for illegal union practices and various forms of fraud. Hoffa generated a lot of revenue for organized crime bosses.
The Mafia had actually helped JFK in the election, especially in Virginia and Illinois. They felt betrayed when JFK turned Bobby loose on them again.
The CIA plotted against Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs. Kennedy began closing their training camps along the Alabama and Florida coasts and seizing all the CIA's arms, ammunition, and other local assets.
The Mafia funneled funds to the CIA in secret. Howard Hughes reportedly donated $250K towards the assassination through his mob contacts. Hughes was losing his mind and was in seclusion 99% of the time, but he still harbored his Kennedy hatred.
J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service.
Bobby Kennedy did not try to indict mob leaders for the assassination because he'd found out that his father had been financing illegal high-interest loans through the Teamsters for decades, earning millions in tax-free income that was hidden in approximately 96 safe deposit boxes in Boston banks. He was warned by Hoffa's attorney that this information would be made public if he tried to tie organized crime bosses to his brother's assassination.
The men who killed Kennedy were a a French ex-paramilitary guy who shot from the book depository and a CIA contract employee who fired from the grassy knoll.
It was never planned that Oswald would even be arrested. He was to be killed by J. D. Tippit, a Dallas cop tied to right wing groups and the KKK. In the early sixties, the Dallas PD was full of right wing John Birchers and KKK members...Tippit was just the tip of the iceberg. And a lot of them hung out at Jack Ruby's strip club. Ruby was basically just a two-bit loan shark, but liked to brag about his mob "connections" and hang out with cops. But Oswald managed to kill Tippit instead. Ruby was forced to kill Oswald by any means possible because the Mafia and CIA threatened to kill his entire family if he didn't. Ruby was as much of a patsy as Oswald. He died in prison without ever talking.
In the film JFK, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie are portrayed as playing a part in the plot. They may have been involved on the fringe, gun running and stuff like that, but they weren't big players. Ferrie really was crazy. The film did get it right about Oswald being more or less recruited by Guy Bannister, though. Bannister had suffered four previous heart attacks. He died in 1964, supposedly of his fifth attack, but it was rumored that the CIA murdered him with an overdose of digitalis.
Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it. Only a handful of men knew the truth, and I think all of them are dead now. All the evidence is there, but no one's ever really put it together.
Years ago, there was a series that ran on TV, maybe the History Channel, maybe Discovery Channel, can't remember. The title of it is The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It ran for 13 episodes, and if I remember correctly, it was all documentary film and commentary...none of this play acting you see on today's historical "documentaries".
Anyway, in the thirteenth and final chapter, LBJ (who did not like the Kennedys at all) was the one who was blamed for giving the final go ahead for the assassination. This episode resulted in several lawsuits.
I don't know if there was any monetary resolution to the suits, but the thirteenth episode was pulled from all distribution outlets and never seen again. The series is still available on DVD...but without the LBJ episode. Try to find it...and good luck to you.
That's my take on the JFK assassination. I love this stuff. Does it sound improbable? Maybe so. Know what sounds improbable to me? A dweeb like Oswald making those shots with a mail order twelve-dollar bolt action piece of junk rifle from Klein's.
Howard Hughes had a long-standing feud with the Kennedys, dating all the way back to old Joe Kennedy's forays into bootlegging and movie-making.
The Mafia despised JFK and his brother, Bobby. JFK because he wimped out on the Bay of Pigs invasion by refusing to authorize more air support, causing the invasion to fail. The Mafia had millions of dollars invested in Cuban casinos/resorts. When Castro took over, he "nationalized" all the casinos, depriving the Mafia of millions of dollars a day in profits. Mafia leaders, especially Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, believed that if Castro could be kicked out, they could reclaim their casinos and their profits from gambling and prostitution in Cuba.
They hated Bobby Kennedy because of his ongoing attempts to put Jimmy Hoffa in prison for illegal union practices and various forms of fraud. Hoffa generated a lot of revenue for organized crime bosses.
The Mafia had actually helped JFK in the election, especially in Virginia and Illinois. They felt betrayed when JFK turned Bobby loose on them again.
The CIA plotted against Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs. Kennedy began closing their training camps along the Alabama and Florida coasts and seizing all the CIA's arms, ammunition, and other local assets.
The Mafia funneled funds to the CIA in secret. Howard Hughes reportedly donated $250K towards the assassination through his mob contacts. Hughes was losing his mind and was in seclusion 99% of the time, but he still harbored his Kennedy hatred.
J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service.
Bobby Kennedy did not try to indict mob leaders for the assassination because he'd found out that his father had been financing illegal high-interest loans through the Teamsters for decades, earning millions in tax-free income that was hidden in approximately 96 safe deposit boxes in Boston banks. He was warned by Hoffa's attorney that this information would be made public if he tried to tie organized crime bosses to his brother's assassination.
The men who killed Kennedy were a a French ex-paramilitary guy who shot from the book depository and a CIA contract employee who fired from the grassy knoll.
It was never planned that Oswald would even be arrested. He was to be killed by J. D. Tippit, a Dallas cop tied to right wing groups and the KKK. In the early sixties, the Dallas PD was full of right wing John Birchers and KKK members...Tippit was just the tip of the iceberg. And a lot of them hung out at Jack Ruby's strip club. Ruby was basically just a two-bit loan shark, but liked to brag about his mob "connections" and hang out with cops. But Oswald managed to kill Tippit instead. Ruby was forced to kill Oswald by any means possible because the Mafia and CIA threatened to kill his entire family if he didn't. Ruby was as much of a patsy as Oswald. He died in prison without ever talking.
In the film JFK, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie are portrayed as playing a part in the plot. They may have been involved on the fringe, gun running and stuff like that, but they weren't big players. Ferrie really was crazy. The film did get it right about Oswald being more or less recruited by Guy Bannister, though. Bannister had suffered four previous heart attacks. He died in 1964, supposedly of his fifth attack, but it was rumored that the CIA murdered him with an overdose of digitalis.
Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it. Only a handful of men knew the truth, and I think all of them are dead now. All the evidence is there, but no one's ever really put it together.
Years ago, there was a series that ran on TV, maybe the History Channel, maybe Discovery Channel, can't remember. The title of it is The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It ran for 13 episodes, and if I remember correctly, it was all documentary film and commentary...none of this play acting you see on today's historical "documentaries".
Anyway, in the thirteenth and final chapter, LBJ (who did not like the Kennedys at all) was the one who was blamed for giving the final go ahead for the assassination. This episode resulted in several lawsuits.
I don't know if there was any monetary resolution to the suits, but the thirteenth episode was pulled from all distribution outlets and never seen again. The series is still available on DVD...but without the LBJ episode. Try to find it...and good luck to you.
That's my take on the JFK assassination. I love this stuff. Does it sound improbable? Maybe so. Know what sounds improbable to me? A dweeb like Oswald making those shots with a mail order twelve-dollar bolt action piece of junk rifle from Klein's.
On page 20 of the Houston post I included in my photo, I find a tiny article: about the Marcello brothers.....regarding the U.S. Government refusing to issue passports to the brothers. In the very same newspaper on the same day.
They were operating out of New Orleans.
Much later on,
The House Select Committee on Assassinations mentioned the connection.
In its investigation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the House Select Committee on Assassinations said that it recognized Jack Ruby's murder of Lee Harvey Oswald as a primary reason to suspect organized crime as possibly having involvement in the assassination.In its investigation, the HSCA noted the presence of "credible associations relating both Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby to figures having a relationship, albeit tenuous, with Marcello's crime family or organization." Their report stated: "The committee found that Marcello had the motive, means and opportunity to have President John F. Kennedy assassinated, though it was unable to establish direct evidence of Marcello's complicity.
LBJs history is whole 'nother "profile in something or other"
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DWalt
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"J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service."
For most of his tenure as FBI Director, J.Edgar persisted in denying even the existence of the "Mafia."
One other little known Hoover fact was that Hoover had been warned over three months in advance about the imminent Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor by Dusko Popov, the ace British MI6 triple agent (often considered to be the model for James Bond), but Hoover didn't believe it, and would not even give Popov an audience. From Wikipedia:
"In 1941, Popov was dispatched to the United States by the Abwehr to establish a new German network.[9] He was given ample funds and an intelligence questionnaire (a list of intelligence targets, later published as an appendix to J.C. Masterman's book The Double Cross System). Of the three typewritten pages of the questionnaire, one entire page was devoted to highly detailed questions about US defences at Pearl Harbor on the Hawaiian island of Oahu. He made contact with the FBI and explained what he had been asked to do. During a televised interview, Duško Popov related having informed the FBI on 12 August 1941, of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. For whatever reason, either the FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover did not report this fact to his superiors,[10] or they, for reasons of their own, took no action in regard to this apparent German interest in Pearl Harbor. Hoover had a distrust for Popov considering the fact that he was indeed a double agent. MI6 had given the FBI in New York a notice that he would have been showing up. Popov himself has said Hoover was quite suspicious and distrustful of him and, according to author William "Mole" Wood, when Hoover discovered Popov had taken a woman from New York to Florida, he threatened to have him arrested under the Mann Act if he did not leave the US immediately."
One of my more memorable life experiences was being in downtown Dallas during the assassination. But I was in the East end, not the West end, where the assassination occurred. And in fact I didn't even know Kennedy was in Dallas that day, until after the assassination.
For most of his tenure as FBI Director, J.Edgar persisted in denying even the existence of the "Mafia."
One other little known Hoover fact was that Hoover had been warned over three months in advance about the imminent Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor by Dusko Popov, the ace British MI6 triple agent (often considered to be the model for James Bond), but Hoover didn't believe it, and would not even give Popov an audience. From Wikipedia:
"In 1941, Popov was dispatched to the United States by the Abwehr to establish a new German network.[9] He was given ample funds and an intelligence questionnaire (a list of intelligence targets, later published as an appendix to J.C. Masterman's book The Double Cross System). Of the three typewritten pages of the questionnaire, one entire page was devoted to highly detailed questions about US defences at Pearl Harbor on the Hawaiian island of Oahu. He made contact with the FBI and explained what he had been asked to do. During a televised interview, Duško Popov related having informed the FBI on 12 August 1941, of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. For whatever reason, either the FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover did not report this fact to his superiors,[10] or they, for reasons of their own, took no action in regard to this apparent German interest in Pearl Harbor. Hoover had a distrust for Popov considering the fact that he was indeed a double agent. MI6 had given the FBI in New York a notice that he would have been showing up. Popov himself has said Hoover was quite suspicious and distrustful of him and, according to author William "Mole" Wood, when Hoover discovered Popov had taken a woman from New York to Florida, he threatened to have him arrested under the Mann Act if he did not leave the US immediately."
One of my more memorable life experiences was being in downtown Dallas during the assassination. But I was in the East end, not the West end, where the assassination occurred. And in fact I didn't even know Kennedy was in Dallas that day, until after the assassination.
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policerevolvercollector
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Every murder has a motive regardless of how irrational.
JFK had powerful enemies that were very capable of conceiving and executing his murder.
This recording is interesting:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0geaCsFFTz8[/ame]
Despite the fact that I've made hundreds if not thousands of traffic stops in my 31 years of police work, it took listening to it a few times to catch what was wrong. It's what is NOT there.....
The officer makes a stop on a vehicle with no license plate. You never hear any verbal interaction between him and the driver. Distance between the vehicles might be a factor here. But, he never calls in anything else ( driver info etc.)and never goes "in service" after completion. Since the stop is based on lack of registration, there is nothing to prove that a stop ever really took place. What is the probability that your mike gets stuck "open" hampering all other radio traffic on your primary channel at the exact time the president is shot while you are on a stop that can't be verified?
JFK had powerful enemies that were very capable of conceiving and executing his murder.
This recording is interesting:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0geaCsFFTz8[/ame]
Despite the fact that I've made hundreds if not thousands of traffic stops in my 31 years of police work, it took listening to it a few times to catch what was wrong. It's what is NOT there.....
The officer makes a stop on a vehicle with no license plate. You never hear any verbal interaction between him and the driver. Distance between the vehicles might be a factor here. But, he never calls in anything else ( driver info etc.)and never goes "in service" after completion. Since the stop is based on lack of registration, there is nothing to prove that a stop ever really took place. What is the probability that your mike gets stuck "open" hampering all other radio traffic on your primary channel at the exact time the president is shot while you are on a stop that can't be verified?
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DWalt
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And there was no shortage of motives in this case. That's part of the JFK assassination mystery.
