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I know in Pa CO can only carry when on official duty transporting prisoners. Otherwise they have no LE authority. However, in Pa you can get a carry as a civilian permit no problem.

He is not a cop and has no right to carry in NJ.
 
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Arik said:
I know in Pa CO can only carry when on official duty transporting prisoners. Otherwise they have no LE authority. However, in Pa you can get a carry as a civilian permit no problem.

He is not a cop and has no right to carry in NJ.
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PA is about the easiest permit to get, at least for non residents. We went to Scranton for our non resident and was in and out in 1/2 an hour, two of us, background check, photo, paperwork.
I even got to talk to the Sheriff, heck of a nice guy, and pro gun.
 
ladder13 said:
PA is about the easiest permit to get, at least for non residents. We went to Scranton for our non resident and was in and out in 1/2 an hour, two of us, background check, photo, paperwork.
I even got to talk to the Sheriff, heck of a nice guy, and pro gun.
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Yep, it only takes a few minutes but it isn't valid in NJ so as far as the law goes (right or wrong) his is not legal in NJ
 
Whether or not a PA CO can get a carry license in PA is not relevant. How their authority and employment related weapon carry are defined by PA state law is the controlling issue under LEOSA. No matter who we are or where we work, one must absolutely KNOW that status at all times, especially when traveling, and even more so when going to a place like NJ.
 
CATI1835 said:
Your phrasing could open a can of worms...

As I have said before, the people of New Jersey have forgotten their proud history, Lexington and Concord.
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Maybe but I hope people realize that it's not what I think is right or wrong but it's simply the law in NJ. He is perfectly legal to carry in Pa but not in NJ. Being a CO doesn't make him a LEO either. He's simply a Pa resident who took a gun to NJ.
 
CATI1835 said:
As I have said before, the people of New Jersey have forgotten their proud history, Lexington and Concord.
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Yeah, and let's not forget the battle for the Alamo over there in Newark!
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According to the NRA News, there is a bit more here than what is being mentioned in this thread.

First, the CO was not carrying his sidearm, but it was in his vehicle. It is not stated whether it was secured in the vehicle. The prosecutor is contending that LEOSA protection doesn't apply in this case, because the CO doesn't have unrestricted arrest authority.

I do not support how this case is evolving. This actually seems to have "test case" written all over it! If the charge can be beat, his attorney (Evan Nappen) is the best lawyer to accomplish that. I am hoping that this can result in some fashion of national reciprocity!
 
lrrifleman said:
According to the NRA News, there is a bit more here than what is being mentioned in this thread.

First, the CO was not carrying his sidearm, but it was in his vehicle. It is not stated whether it was secured in the vehicle. The prosecutor is contending that LEOSA protection doesn't apply in this case, because the CO doesn't have unrestricted arrest authority.

I do not support how this case is evolving. This actually seems to have "test case" written all over it! If the charge can be beat, his attorney (Evan Nappen) is the best lawyer to accomplish that. I am hoping that this can result in some fashion of national reciprocity!
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Like Doug M said, his law enforcement status is all dependent on what authority his agency grants him. He either qualifies, or does not. Being off duty, and not officially armed while, say, transporting a prisoner, he was carrying for his own personal use. If he does qualify, his ID should state "Law Enforcement Officer", and he should be carrying a LEOSA qualification card if in retired status.

Unrestricted arrest authority is not a prerequisite. Federal Correctional Officers, for example, are considered law enforcement, their ID's are so marked, and they qualify for LEOSA status. They have limited arrest authority under Title 18, mainly concerning escape attempts and introduction of contraband.

When all is said and done, still a crappy way to treat one of the good guys, or any honest citizen for that matter. I remember well before the LEOSA days, when I was a CT State cop, I would travel anywhere without fear of being hassled by another LEO, and they could expect the same when visiting CT. Those days have sure changed.

Larry
 
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I did a lot of research (and wrote the 7 page legal memo) on LEOSA in 2012 when I retired from my reserve slot. In some states, a reserve or part time cop might not have the requisite exemptions from private citizen weapon carry laws to be covered under LEOSA. That is not correct as to Washington (state), and I make no claim as to any other. Our corrections employees (both state and local) who are armed at any time for duty would be covered, too. We had a recent amendment to the relevant firearm statutes that has that effect.

Whether that is true as to PA, I don't know. The mere difference between being an LEO and a corrections officer MAY have that meaning - it may not. How the NJ officer became aware of the CO's possession of the firearm is another problem.

Hot tips: don't drive like an idiot and get yourself stopped. Unless mandated by state law to disclose being armed (generally, having the firearm on you or immediately available in the car, NOT in the trunk, etc.) SHUT UP. Volunteer nothing, admit nothing, and NEVER under any conditions consent to a search. Anyone who does not follow that advice is an idiot, and probably deserves the nasty outcome that they have facilitated. And if this CO was dumb enough to try to badge his way out of a stop that was almost certainly his fault, he should also be paying his attorney for a lengthy session of slap therapy. That's putting aside the blatant stupidity of entering New Jersey in the first place. I'd bet a lot of money that very few people who live or work outside of NJ have any need to enter that state, and should thus apply the stupid places rule - don't go to stupid places.
 
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If I remember right, when I heard about this....He was involved in a traffic accident, He (A Sgt. / state Correctional Officer) notified the police of the weapon in the car prior to being transported for medical care, as he was trying to do the right thing, and not leave a weapon unattended in the car. Not sure if PA State Corr. is considered law enforcement or not.

Larry
 
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