ICORE with a 431 PD

[Cal44]

I have a recently acquired 431 PD.

There is a club locally that has ICORE matches from time to time.

I plan to carry my 431 PD and figure it would be good training and fun to try it in ICORE matches.

From reading the info, ICORE allows 6 shot revolvers in 32 Magnum so it would qualify.

Does anyone know where I can find loading data that will make a 120,000 power factor with 32 H&R Magnum from a 2" snub?

We are talking 100 grain bullets at 1200 fps or heavier at slower velocities.

Buffalo Bore's 130 32 H&R Magnum load would exceed 1000 fps from a snub so it would qualify, but this would get expensive.

Time to start reloading, perhaps.

Or is this a bad/impractical idea?

 

[OKFC05]

Or is this a bad/impractical idea?

Based on what I see at the ICORE matches around here, a 2" snub .32 would be a special kind of frustration, especially since you have to make power FROM YOUR GUN. Perhaps because so many at OKC are shooting 8 shot revolvers with 6" and longer barrels, their club is heavy on long shots, par time stages, and stages with a forest of steel. Have you watched your local match to observe the stages?

 

[S&WIowegan]

Nothing wrong with your idea but you have hit upon the problem...how to make minor from a 2" snub. Many years ago I knew a machinist who made himself a 9-shot 32 H&R Magnum revolver on a Ruger frame. The gun had a 9" barrel so I asked why. He said he needed all the length to make minor power factor. I don't think you can pack enough powder to make minor! Sooo, IDPA has a class for people who don't fit any class and just want to shoot their gun in matches. Talk to your local IDPA chief and see if you can shoot for fun(if you pay match fees).

 

[Cal44]

I'm really only interested in some kind of practice scenario beyond slow fire at targets at the range.

Not trying to be competitive.

 

[OKFC05]

I'm really only interested in some kind of practice scenario beyond slow fire at targets at the range.

Not trying to be competitive.

Suggest Steel Challenge or IDPA (Not For Competition scoring division); NOT ICORE or USPSA, where your gun really does not come close.
We welcome the NFC shooters at our IDPA matches.

 

[Pizza Bob]

IDPA would be ideal for this. It's too bad that the gun does not meet BUG Division requirements (must be .38 Spl), as it would be ideal - since the power factor in BUG is only 95, your .32 H&R would not have a problem - but if you are just looking for practice, just shoot in the NFC Division. HKS does make speedloaders for the J-frame .32, so you should be GTG and maybe IDPA headquarters will realize that .32 J-frames should be included - they pretty much eliminated .38 Spl J-frames when they changed the division capacity to 6.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[jtcarm]

Yep, too small even for IDPA, even though a .380 auto is good for for bug. Go figure.


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[Cal44]

Sounds to me like the usual competitive shooting events are kind of a dry hole for revolver carriers that just want some more realistic practice than shooting targets at the range.

If you are using semi-autos, even small ones, there is a place for you.

And if you carry a larger 4" or more revolver, you are in good shape.

But for the pocket carry J frame carriers, not so much.

 

[S&WIowegan]

Sounds to me like the usual competitive shooting events are kind of a dry hole for revolver carriers that just want some more realistic practice than shooting targets at the range.

If you are using semi-autos, even small ones, there is a place for you.

And if you carry a larger 4" or more revolver, you are in good shape.

But for the pocket carry J frame carriers, not so much.

IDPA limits the barrel length of revolvers which can be used to 4 1/4" on the premise that anything longer is not a practical carry gun. Currently made revolvers need to longer than 4" or they can't be sold in Canada. There is also a BUG(back-up gun) class that was for J-frames and pocket autos. Rumor has it IDPA will now allow 6-shooters in this class too. IDPA has a serious problem with constantly changing rules which seem to be caused by chronic complainers. Currently the scoring is expected to change next year(unless lots of complaints cause the owners to make different changes). My attitude is IDPA is another chance to shoot.

 

[Pizza Bob]

There is also a BUG(back-up gun) class that was for J-frames and pocket autos. Rumor has it IDPA will now allow 6-shooters in this class too.

Not rumor - FACT. BUG is a complete division with semi-auto and revolver as sub-divisions, this concurrent with the publishing of the rule book in January 2015.

The new rules for bug state a max capacity of 6 rounds (semi or rev - so no 6+1 with a semi). However, minimum caliber for revolvers is .38 Spl. which really kills it for J-frames. That is why I suggested that .32 should be the minimum rev subdivision caliber - it allows the J-frames to load six rounds and any .32 should be able to make the 95 PF. They are letting .380's shoot in BUG semi-auto - a little equity would be nice.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[imashooter2]

Go to your ICORE match and enjoy shooting. When you don't make power factor, they'll just add 360 seconds to your score. Since you don't care about being competitive, mission accomplished.

 

[H Richard]

I'm thinking if you try to make a 120 power factor with a 2" you will become very frustrated. I can make some better than 1200 with the 100 gr. XTP in 32 Mag, but that is with a 6" 16-4. Estimating 50 fps loss per inch, would be just barely 1000 fps. Hopefully I will be able to chronograph some from a 2" shortly as I have ordered a 431PD and waiting on the shipping info. I don't think I will attempt to make power factor with it.

 

[Cal44]

Go to your ICORE match and enjoy shooting. When you don't make power factor, they'll just add 360 seconds to your score. Since you don't care about being competitive, mission accomplished.

Will they let me shoot the 32 cal j frame in BUG with a penalty?

Or will they refuse to let me shoot the 431pd.

 

[H Richard]

I would think an understanding match director would let you shoot with the aforementioned penalty. Unless this would happen to be something higher than a club match.

 

[Cal44]

Maybe it would make more sense to try the BUG division with one of my other carry guns -- either my Model 49 or 3" Model 60-15.

Although limited to only 5 rounds, I wouldn't be in violation of any of the rules and I'm only interested in practice anyway.

 

[Pizza Bob]

I think you're confusing ICORE and IDPA. BUG is a division in IDPA with a PF of only 95. The only division criteria that your gun does not meet is caliber. You can simply shoot in the NFC Division (Not For Competition). You can do this at any IDPA match. This was added to encourage people to shoot what they have, even if it doesn't quite fit within the division criteria. So go to an IDPA match and shoot your 431PD. You'll still be able to see your scores and compare them with others - you just won't be eligible for any prizes or have it affect your classification.

Adios,

Pizza Bob