Would you submit to being carded?

[cp2146]

This is just a curious question that I think I probably know the answer from most people. Recently I saw a story about someone who carried into a retail outlet that was either not posted, or was posted so that only license holders could legally carry in the store. When the person was carded by a store employee, he refused to show his license, stating that per the current signage at the entrance, he was not required to. Technically he may have been correct...technically, but it ended up being a big scene and gave CCL holders a black eye because of his adamant refusal.

My question is this, if you were in the same situation, would you object to being carded? Personally, I would not. Our permission to carry in some places is precarious enough and I don't want to fan the flame of those who's sole purpose in life is to take away our right to carry. Besides, it takes only a few seconds to pull out my license and show it to law enforcement (a no-brainer there) or whomever might be in authority over the property I have entered. It's no big deal to me, and as a law abiding citizen, I don't mind proving that I'm legal to carry.

 

[Ron M.]

I wouldn't object. It's like a badge!

 

[DGT]

I can see both sides of this one. There is nothing in Oklahoma law that empowers someone stopping me on the street or business
and requiring me to show my CCL however, in the situation you describe, I would probably comply with their request. I would also make it clear that I was doing so out of kindness and not because I am required to do so.

 

[Jingles]

If he was carrying concealed how did the store employee know? Concealed means concealed, right?

 

[SweetMK]

Who is dumb enough to question a guy carrying a G U N ??

If the boss asked me to do it,,, I would have to quit,,,,

it ain't 1952 anymore,,,,

 

[eb07]

Obviously if you are too naive to conceal your weapon properly then why do you complain when challenged?

Either show it or turn around and walk out and shop somewhere else.

 

[bigwheelzip]

....was posted so that only license holders could legally carry in the store.... was carded by a store employee

Here in SC, anyone legitimately acting in the property owners behalf could ask for compliance with properly posted signage. Failure to comply could result in up to a $200 fine or 30 days in jail, for Trespass.

Your other choice is to leave the premises when challenged.

No big constitutional crisis, just decide if you want to patronize that establishment, and abide the law.

 

[Absalom]

The situation described isn't quite clear, but generally, on PRIVATE property (and a retail outlet is that) you may be asked and have the choice: You can comply and stay, refuse to comply and leave the property, or refuse to do either and be trespassing if the owner or his representative (like an employee) insists.

 

[Okie21]

Seems to me, showing your card would be a quick and easy way to put everyone at ease. I can see how some would be annoyed, but I'd show it if asked.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Is this part of Texas law???????

Were they "carding" everyone??????

Thought this was a ...... am I old enough to buy a drink!

 

[colt_saa]

Your example is quite vague

I would obey the laws of the jurisdiction that I was in at the moment

I would not be rude, however I would not submit to harassment outside of my obligations or duties under the law.

 

[Muss Muggins]

If he was carrying concealed, why did they want to see his CCL?

EDIT: Woulda helped if the OP had included the word "open . . . "

 

[rick6336]

This was for OC. This happened at a couple of Walmarts in Texas at the first of the year. A article that I read later was that the corp big wigs made them stop after it hit the news.

 

[poordevil]

Why cause trouble for yourself? If you can deal with a situation in seconds , why blow it into minutes or hours?

 

[K Frame Keith]

That is why I carry concealed. I spent my LE career in Jersey where open carry is not practiced. I'm not really comfortable with open carry unless I'm outdoors hiking, etc. but here in NEPA you occasionally see someone carrying openly. But yes, I'd flash my credentials if challenged.

 

[KSDeputy]

No one except other LEO'S even know I have it, because of how I carry. Under KS law, with my LEOSA permit, I can carry anywhere an active peace officer can carry. That is almost anywhere except a prison, jail, or courtroom/courthouse where the chief judge prohibits it, and federal property. Yes I must show my LEOSA permit if asked for it. A small price to pay for the privilege of being armed most everywhere. We have constitutional carry in KS, anyone else who is legally able to own a firearm can carry open or concealed without a permit, but they must obey no gun signage.

 

[Laketime]

Like the old adage... Right but dead

 

[snubbyfan]

In a hypothetical situation, yes. If I was open carrying in a state that requires a permit to open carry.
I carry concealed in West Virginia and after May 24th a permit will no longer be required.
However, I'll still need one for reciprocity.

 

[SAFireman]

You could show your membership card for the Justice League if you wanted.....the odds are that someone who is working at a retail establishment (other than off-duty LEO or well informed security) would have NO IDEA what is or is not legit.

In Texas, we recognize a LOT of other states...supposed that he showed an OK card? What then? is he going to try to disarm the customer? force him to leave?

This could turn into a giant mess for everyone involved....I think a properly concealed handgun would eliminate the possible train wreck that could ensue by demanding to see a license.

And no, if you are not LEO, I am not showing you anything. I would sooner leave than even discuss the matter.

 

[dougb1946]

Store owner gets to make the rules. "No shirt-no shoes, no service" is not much different than "No card=no gun". Like it or not, gun owners are not a protected group by law.