Coyotes made Mistake

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCaGs9UTGjs[/ame]

A good documentary on the Taylor Mitchell case. I agree with the findings, inc. that she probably ran, triggering a predatory response.

Caution: the very squeamish may find some elements of this production disturbing, especially her bloody handprint on the door of the loo in the woods.

Among those interviewed are the people who found her dying and the RCMP constable who shot one of the coyotes.

A very informative, useful video. Well worth watching. No worries: it's in English. I don't know what language the subtitles are in. Malay? Indonesian?
 
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JohnSW said:
As a dog owner, I wouldn't take any pleasure in killing a coyote. I would only kill one if he threatened my dog.

In my suburb, there are some coyotes, but they haven't been a threat to any people. The police department has coyote hazing instructions for people who don't want them around.

To me, the bloodthirsty "kill them all" attitude is barbaric.
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I think for the most part, most of us don't want to "kill them all". But as with many species, man's irreversible change of the landscape and it's inhabitants has created a situation where hunting for the sake of population control has become necessary. With coyotes in particular, they are having a negative affect on other species such as rabbits, red fox, and deer where they have been allowed to reproduce unchecked. That metro park I'm familiar with has an estimated 400-500 yotes running around on 300 acres. There are no longer any confirmed red fox dens in that park. The yotes will gang up and kill a mother fox and her kits when they find her den.
 
fat tom said:
And your opinion is typical of those who all too frequently voice it when they have absolutely NO IDEA of what the problem actually is! :rolleyes:

f.t.
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Ok kill em all. But in my area we also have a major deer problem. They don't kill your pets but they jump out in traffic and kill you. So let's kill all the deer. I've seen a few foxes around. It's possible they have rabies and rabid animals attack and of course rabies themselves are dangerous. Let's kill them all too. There have been a few,sightings of mountain lions and black bears. Both are deadly predators......kill them all too! actually just kill wildlife in general they are all either dangerous or a nuisance.

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CBus660R said:
I think for the most part, most of us don't want to "kill them all". But as with many species, man's irreversible change of the landscape and it's inhabitants has created a situation where hunting for the sake of population control has become necessary. With coyotes in particular, they are having a negative affect on other species such as rabbits, red fox, and deer where they have been allowed to reproduce unchecked. That metro park I'm familiar with has an estimated 400-500 yotes running around on 300 acres. There are no longer any confirmed red fox dens in that park. The yotes will gang up and kill a mother fox and her kits when they find her den.
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If they got a coyote per acre....They's got one a helluva coyote problem.....


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Arik said:
Ok kill em all. But in my area we also have a major deer problem. They don't kill your pets but they jump out in traffic and kill you. So let's kill all the deer. I've seen a few foxes around. It's possible they have rabies and rabid animals attack and of course rabies themselves are dangerous. Let's kill them all too. There have been a few,sightings of mountain lions and black bears. Both are deadly predators......kill them all too! actually just kill wildlife in general they are all either dangerous or a nuisance.

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You know,I actually had you in mind when I posted my earlier response. :rolleyes:
f.t.
 
keith44spl said:
If they got a coyote per acre....They's got one a helluva coyote problem.....


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And not much they can do about it. This park is located within a city that has a complete hunting ban (never mind the parks are no hunting either). I used to live pretty much next to the park. If I could have hunted there, I literally could have walked out my front door and less than 100 yards later I could have setup for a little nighttime fun in a farmer's field that bordered the park.


6545 Nottinghill Trail Dr Canal Winchester, OH 43110 is my old address. That's actually in the city of Columbus due to annexation, https://www.google.com/maps/place/6...35de901a080c45!8m2!3d39.8815762!4d-82.8206501 Pickerington Ponds is the park I'm talking about
 
Arik said:
Ok kill em all. But in my area we also have a major deer problem. They don't kill your pets but they jump out in traffic and kill you. So let's kill all the deer. I've seen a few foxes around. It's possible they have rabies and rabid animals attack and of course rabies themselves are dangerous. Let's kill them all too. There have been a few,sightings of mountain lions and black bears. Both are deadly predators......kill them all too! actually just kill wildlife in general they are all either dangerous or a nuisance.

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Controlled kills (or culling I guess you could say) isn't "kill them all" neither is shoot on sight,even if every rural resident did shoot on sight for a hundred generations I doubt we'd be rid of them they are,as one said,like cockroaches I know we nearly wiped wolves out but not coyotes-that says something about the little buggers.

In general if they are at normal populations and not eradicating every living thing in a given area and I heard/saw them in the woods where they belong I'd just leave them alone same as any other animal.

No if they aren't where they belong or are playing Pol Pot on the local animal life......yea I'll probably lite'em up on sight like the forth of July.
 
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Inusuit said:
I was raised on a cow and calf ranch in eastern Colorado. My Dad was on the land from 1914 to 2007 when he passed. He said he never had a verifiable instance when a coyote killed a calf, let alone full grown cow or horse. Lots of coyotes scapegoated by inattentive ranchers who had calves die from other causes but blamed the coyotes.

Dad ran a trapline during the Great Depression when a prime coyote hide brought as much as several days work at the sugar factory. He trapped enough coyotes to pay for a winter's worth of hay for his cows. He ran one of those USDA "animal control" guys off our ranch in the 1960's.

Coyotes are supremely adaptable. Depending on food sources, mostly small rodents and not horses, coyote females adjust litter size to match the food supply.

They are clever and adaptable animals, native to all 49 states. But of course don't let facts get in the way of killing every one you see.
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Southern Colorado here. We see coyotes all the time, year-round, daytime and night.

I have never heard of a coyote attacking or killing animals larger than domestic sheep. They will readily take poultry and pets around homes or farms. I have watched them hunting mice in fields. Coyotes are largely scavengers more than hunters. I have also seen them feeding on animal carcasses, which is probably how the stories of coyotes killing larger critters came to be. Much more likely would be a deer getting hit by a car, then chewed on by coyotes.
 
"Kill them all" is not going to happen period. It is a practical mindset to try to remedy the problems caused by this predator. Remember that the little coyote is not the big issue here, it is the cross, the coydog and coywolf. These are good sized killers who are losing their fear of man. The PBS show had great footage of them in cities, sniffing around front doors, giving chase to runners, and one standing in broad daylight facing a woman and her good sized dog, seemingly with indifference. These hunters are dangerous. Maybe not to full grown men...yet, but to small pets, small children and even to adults with physical handicaps. Natural predators seek out the weak. We can't kill them all, but like the fire ant, the Asian carp, the florida pythons, and the feral pigs, coydogs and coywolfs don't have any place in this country, and we should strive to eradicate them, with hopes of controlling them. Cockroaches and prairie dogs could be put on that list as far as I care.
 
In my neck of the woods,things are changing. I have a 300 acre farm and there are several farms and a 1500 acre marsh/swamp behind my farm. I live on my farm and am on it almost every day.

About 20 years ago yotes showed up. A few years later there were no feral cats,dogs or any fox left. I have watched as my neighbors cows gave birth and the yotes ran in and snatched them. About 10 years ago I stopped seeing or hearing many yotes. The fox came back,started seeing a few feral dogs but stray cats are not too be found. I have a very good population of deer,bobcat,bear,raccoon and a very few fox. I also have small game everywhere.

I have 12 trail cams out year around and check them two times a month. I am seeing yotes all the time but in much fewer numbers. What I am seeing is coydog/coywolf and they are very large and heavy. I also see 2 packs of feral dogs.

I have found several kill sites of late that are disturbing. Young deer and older deer have been killed and not eaten. Same goes for turkey and rabbet . The carcass was torn apart but very little was eaten. When I go into the woods things are not right. I can feel it and it feels as if I am being stalked.

No one has hunted my farm in over 20 years,this is why I have so much game. Most of the land around me is hunted but everyone knows better than to hunt on mine. I have something bad going on but just do not know what it is. I am in hopes that my cams will catch something. Their is some new breed coming along and I think it is very bad. Time will tell.

Just as a side note,everyone around me thinks I am crazy when I tell them there are big cats in the swamp behind me. They are there but I can not prove it. yet.
 
I didn't stutter, there were no coyotes here, they started showing
20-25 yrs ago. Last 5-10 yrs they have become real problem.
I'm going on 66, never saw one until 90s, no one around here
in my dads generation had ever seen one either. I am sure that
members from Western Pa, and WVa, that are farmers and outdoorsmen will tell you the same thing. One day they just
Showed up. On the horse kill, there is no doubt coyotes feed on
horse. But I agree that they might not have killed it, but as long
as coyotes are blamed, the bad PR on them may help get something done. People use to come here to hunt, big buck
country, small game abundance, all gone. If state would put
$25 bounty on them they would get shot out. Sport Varmit
hunting will never dent them.
 
Drm50 said:
I didn't stutter, there were no coyotes here, they started showing
20-25 yrs ago. Last 5-10 yrs they have become real problem.
I'm going on 66, never saw one until 90s, no one around here
in my dads generation had ever seen one either. I am sure that
members from Western Pa, and WVa, that are farmers and outdoorsmen will tell you the same thing. One day they just
Showed up. On the horse kill, there is no doubt coyotes feed on
horse. But I agree that they might not have killed it, but as long
as coyotes are blamed, the bad PR on them may help get something done. People use to come here to hunt, big buck
country, small game abundance, all gone. If state would put
$25 bounty on them they would get shot out. Sport Varmit
hunting will never dent them.
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States could place a $100 bounty and it wouldn't make a difference. The Coyote is here. You can't kill your way out of this problem.
 
Feral dogs and cross breads will kill for sport and they will attack humans. I have had too kill several dogs that tried too attack me in the woods.

About 12 years ago I was charged by 4 dogs. I was in deep woods with my 2 walker hounds. I killed 2 and wounded 1 but if my dogs had not been their,I would not have been so lucky. On the farm next door,a tractor operator got off to look at a tire when 3 dogs charged him from the woods line. He managed to get back in the cab before they reached him but they tried too get to him in the cab. What I am seeing is yote/dog/whatever and their behavior is changing and not for the good.
 
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Drm50 said:
If state would put
$25 bounty on them they would get shot out.
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No, they wouldn't.

Besides, the way the economy is these days, no state is gonna put a twenty-five-dollar bounty on some animal with only ten bucks worth of fur.
 
If they've lost their fear.....

If they've lost their fear of humans I'd say put some fear back into them. Any coyotes that acts aggressively in such a wolf like way should be skinned and hung up on a tree near anyplace people go. If they mind their own business, fine. If they don't back down.....

The coyotes that attacked the girl acted more like wolves than coyotes.
 
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