susieqz
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um, i don't know if this is true, but i have read that there has never been a documented case of wolves killing a human on this continent.
Coyotes made Mistake
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Probably have to find a stronger term than "problem" to describe a situation like that...but I have to say I just don't believe there are 400-500 coyotes living in a 300-acre habitat. Three hundred acres wouldn't have enough small game to support a coyote population that size. Coyotes are picky about den sites, too. Not enough den sites for that many coyotes, period.
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The odds of a non-hybrid coyote being a real problem are modest at best.
The odds of a hybrid (coydog or coywolf or mix of all three) being a problem are very high if they are around. They are much bigger and much less fearful/respectful of humans and livestock. Likewise large feral dogs in packs.
The picture from NYC looked like a hybrid to me, but I'm not close to an expert. OTOH, it is probably less of a problem than some significant percentage of the human population anywhere on the planet.
The odds of a hybrid (coydog or coywolf or mix of all three) being a problem are very high if they are around. They are much bigger and much less fearful/respectful of humans and livestock. Likewise large feral dogs in packs.
The picture from NYC looked like a hybrid to me, but I'm not close to an expert. OTOH, it is probably less of a problem than some significant percentage of the human population anywhere on the planet.
HOUSTON RICK
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We hear them calling a from the bayou preserve a few times every week here south of Houston. They killed a favorite neighborhood cat a few years back and the local dads have since shot yotes on sight if they leave their preserve.
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I do not believe the coyote was west of the Mississippi before white man came. The Lewis and Clark expedition describe a strange dog like "prairie wolf" first seen in South Dakota in 1804. I think I heard they did not make inroads into the east till bridges were constructed across the big rivers. I may be wrong. Living in cattle and sheep country, I know of no rancher who lost a cow or calf to coyotes. They hang around birthing cattle to get the afterbirth. Sheep are easy prey to the coyote. Frogs, mice, chipmunks, and prairie dogs are their main diet. Road kill deer are tasty meals. I shot control for sheep ranchers for a time in my youth. I can not conceive of yotes killing a horse. Eating it after it went down for sure. I have watched coyotes get themselves beaten up and rolled by full grown antelope and buffalo. That being said, I watched a cow elk with a broken front leg get hounded and followed by 3 coyotes. She was not weak enough for them to tackle. I love the little yodel dogs and often see them hanging around the house. They are not to be trusted around house pets. I had to break up a fight between my old beagle and a yote. If I had not been close, the old dog was no match for the quick coyote. It took a month for the wounds to heal.
Interesting thread.
I've always said that it's a mighty thin pancake that doesn't have two sides and we've been able to see quite a few sides to this thread. Just for the heck of it, here's my two cents worth.
Here in Utah, we have a coyote problem. They have been decimating the mule deer herds so badly that the state has put a $50 bounty on them. You can bet the ranch that that won't wipe the coyotes out, but hopefully it will help the deer herds.
One of my neighbors runs cattle in a pasture across the road from my place. You can hear the coyotes at night, especially now around calving season. In one short night, a few coyotes can cost my neighbor literally thousands of dollars in coyote-killed calves.
No matter what folks may think, coyotes are smart. Darned smart. It's almost impossible to catch them in a live trap, but they will come to a call if it's done correctly.
Shot this one last fall and am gearing up to take a few more in the next month or so. A fifty-buck bounty isn't enough to supplement my retirement income or even begin a cottage industry...but it'll keep me in ammo.
It would be virtually impossible to eliminate all of the coyotes. They can adapt to almost any environment. Like someone posted earlier, after a nuclear holocaust, about the only things still living will be cockroaches and coyotes...and...uh...maybe Keith Richards.
I've always said that it's a mighty thin pancake that doesn't have two sides and we've been able to see quite a few sides to this thread. Just for the heck of it, here's my two cents worth.
Here in Utah, we have a coyote problem. They have been decimating the mule deer herds so badly that the state has put a $50 bounty on them. You can bet the ranch that that won't wipe the coyotes out, but hopefully it will help the deer herds.
One of my neighbors runs cattle in a pasture across the road from my place. You can hear the coyotes at night, especially now around calving season. In one short night, a few coyotes can cost my neighbor literally thousands of dollars in coyote-killed calves.
No matter what folks may think, coyotes are smart. Darned smart. It's almost impossible to catch them in a live trap, but they will come to a call if it's done correctly.
Shot this one last fall and am gearing up to take a few more in the next month or so. A fifty-buck bounty isn't enough to supplement my retirement income or even begin a cottage industry...but it'll keep me in ammo.
It would be virtually impossible to eliminate all of the coyotes. They can adapt to almost any environment. Like someone posted earlier, after a nuclear holocaust, about the only things still living will be cockroaches and coyotes...and...uh...maybe Keith Richards.
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Fat Tom, thanks for the advice on ignore button..I kicked it in
some time ago. I am always surprised with people willing to
Interject themselves into a situation they know nothing about.
And not once, like a dog with a bone they don't want to let go.
Ah well they probaly live in their parents basement and can
feel safe from the outside world. In public they would probaly
get their nose bent.
some time ago. I am always surprised with people willing to
Interject themselves into a situation they know nothing about.
And not once, like a dog with a bone they don't want to let go.
Ah well they probaly live in their parents basement and can
feel safe from the outside world. In public they would probaly
get their nose bent.
susieqz
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new mexico will set out poison if you ask.
kills my dogs pretty good but doesn't stop the howling.
we have no bounty but most people shoot on sight.
most are too smart to come around houses.
they know about guns.
kills my dogs pretty good but doesn't stop the howling.
we have no bounty but most people shoot on sight.
most are too smart to come around houses.
they know about guns.
Gulfecho
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Interesting thread.
I've always said that it's a mighty thin pancake that doesn't have two sides and we've been able to see quite a few sides to this thread. Just for the heck of it, here's my two cents worth.
Here in Utah, we have a coyote problem. They have been decimating the mule deer herds so badly that the state has put a $50 bounty on them. You can bet the ranch that that won't wipe the coyotes out, but hopefully it will help the deer herds.
One of my neighbors runs cattle in a pasture across the road from my place. You can hear the coyotes at night, especially now around calving season. In one short night, a few coyotes can cost my neighbor literally thousands of dollars in coyote-killed calves.
No matter what folks may think, coyotes are smart. Darned smart. It's almost impossible to catch them in a live trap, but they will come to a call if it's done correctly.
Shot this one last fall and am gearing up to take a few more in the next month or so. A fifty-buck bounty isn't enough to supplement my retirement income or even begin a cottage industry...but it'll keep me in ammo.
It would be virtually impossible to eliminate all of the coyotes. They can adapt to almost any environment. Like someone posted earlier, after a nuclear holocaust, about the only things still living will be cockroaches and coyotes...and...uh...maybe Keith Richards.
What is the point of your pictures? You shot a coyote. That's like taking a drink from the Great Lakes.
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Did the meeting take place?
If so, was anything resolved or agreed on relating to the coyotes?
According to the Centerville-Washington Park District, "Coyotes have been present in Ohio for over 60 years and are found is all 88 counties."
Golly. You don't have to get flippant about it. I don't know...maybe you were just trying to be humorous, but there's a difference between humor and sardonicism.
As I said in my previous post about shooting the coyotes, "You can bet the ranch that that won't wipe the coyotes out, but hopefully it will help the deer herds."
Just thought I would show that I'm trying to do my part, although small, in helping out. That's all.
I don't think anyone will argue with you that coyotes are here to stay, but maybe we can try to curb the population somewhat. At least that's what were trying to do in our state, and it seems to be helping a little.
There are a few ol' boys out here that are making quite an income out it. While some of us are only turning in two or three scalps and mandibles at a time, there are several who will in turn bags of 25 or more at a time on a regular basis.
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susieqz
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keep shootin mule.
if you run out there, we have more for you here.
if you run out there, we have more for you here.
It's darn strange.....
It's darn strange that birds whose flocks 'blackened the sky' can be hunted to extinction but we can't even push back pigs and coyotes while practically anything that is hunted or fished is 'endangered'.
It's darn strange that birds whose flocks 'blackened the sky' can be hunted to extinction but we can't even push back pigs and coyotes while practically anything that is hunted or fished is 'endangered'.
I am not sure what you read, but virtually nothing that has a legal season on it is even close to extinction. In fact in many places, there are more game animals now than when man first arrived. As for controlling the number of coyotes, they have been poisoned, shot, bountied, run with dogs, and trapped for decades and their numbers are increasing. An intelligence test was done on the coyote and he is the smartest animal in North America, bar none, if you don't count Homo Sapiens.
We also need a bounty program to eliminate the deer. They cause more human fatalities than all "predators" combined.
The death of the young lady is a terrible to be sure, but the poor coyote has a miniscule track record when it comes to maneaters. I am presently reading Patterson's book on maneaters of India. One tiger alone accounted for a recorded 437 people. A good book published years ago named Man is the Prey, talks about all the famous people killers from lions to sharks. The last chapter list the one critter that has killed millions upon millions of people, far more than all other animals combined, millions more. It is the lowly mosquito.
Here in Texas they are everywhere and not much we can do about them. Just to many breeding just like the feral hogs. Here is a picture of one in Southern California. A small beach community where I used to live and where my daughter now holds down the family home San Clemente down in Orange County.
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His post was worth it just for the Keith Richards quip.
But I enjoyed seeing what Mule Packer, one of our best and most informative members, looks like. I liked seeing his calling gear, the 10-22, and the Zeiss (?) binocular and the general quality of the photography.
What are you going to do? Gripe every time some guy posts a picture just because he got a new gun? Some don't even bother to entertain with photos. What about the guys posting pics of some bird or lizard they saw? Some are actually pretty good.
I liked the pics that one member posted a few years back of coyotes that he shot from his home in Washington with a .303 SMLE and Remington 180 grain RN bullets. Got one in the head.
Not bad for a hundred yards and iron sights!
Most dead coyotes seem to be snarling. They even look scary when dead.
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Texas Star
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Patterson wrote about the lions at Tsavo. You must mean Jim Corbett in India. Kenneth Anderson also shot a number of man-eating tigers and leopards, as well as a rogue elephant and maybe a bear or three.
I read, "Man is the Prey" and corresponded for a time with the author, James Clarke. He was originally English and I think this is reflected in some of his social and animal views. He wrote a humor column for the, "Johannesburg Star" for decades after moving to South Africa. He has a newer book out on wild animals, but I don't think it's been published in the USA.
I like his quip about having written, "Man is the Prey." Said it's for those people who want to know what 's eating them...
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