Kadonny
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How bout it. We went from what's a good price for a Sport II and morphed into a S&W vs Ruger fight. Terrific, never seen that before [face_rollingeyes].
Sport II Newbie question
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How bout it. We went from what's a good price for a Sport II and morphed into a S&W vs Ruger fight. Terrific, never seen that before [face_rollingeyes].
cyphertext
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What ppl don't understand is, I LIKE THE Sport 2 RIFLE! It shoots great, looks great, heck, I am even impressed with the lined barrel. If the Ruger HAD NEVER been at the gun store on the very last day I was shooting AR's, I would HAVE bought an Sport 2.
It's kind of hard to explain. It's like I saw the Ruger and EVERY other AR around it didn't matter.
If S&W can do a few minor improvements on the Sport 2, or, if a Sport 3 comes out, I will likely buy it. I do like the fact that it has the lifetime wrranty as well. But, Ruger backs their weapons as well. Anytime I have had to send one back (which was very very seldom) they took care of it on their dime.
Again, only the person that goes out and shoots the firearm will be the only one that can decide if it is for them.
If one calls to you more than the other, then that is fine... it is subjective, but that is why there are many choices.
I'm not taking this personal, just pointing out the differences between the two rifles. Notice, I told the OP that either will probably serve him well, but why, in my opinion, the Sport II is the better rifle.
I am curious about what "minor improvements" that you think S&W should make to the Sport II to make it the better rifle... What does the Ruger offer over the Sport II?
You are correct, you could swap out for a regular delta ring assembly, but why buy the Ruger if that is what you are going to do? Why pay for a part twice?
The treated barrels do more than protect from corrosive ammo. The barrel with treatment will last longer than an unlined barrel under equal conditions. Granted that if you can afford the ammo to shoot out the barrel, you can afford to rebarrel the rifle, but still the nod goes to a treated barrel for this type of rifle.
Disabled1
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I'm wise enough to know when enough is enough, are you?
I made my point, everyone else did as well. I stick by my choice and will continue to shoot the BAJEEBUS out of my Sport 1.
To anyone out there wanting an AR; go to your LGS and rent some AR's. Shoot them, look them over, do research on them, then YOU, and ONLY YOU should decide which one to buy. This is what I did and that is why I made the choice I did.
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Disabled1
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+1!
I had totally forgotten about those 2 facts. That 1:8 twist did help in making my selection. And, tests have proven that a CHF barrel will last longer. Colt Canada has proven this theory.
cyphertext
US Veteran
The 1:8 twist is a lot of hype... but I admit, I got caught up in it when I purchased the original Sport. Unless you are shooting the longer projectiles such as the 77 gr, the 1:9 twist works well. If you are shooting those high dollar specialty rounds, you probably aren't shooting either of the rifles we are talking about.
As far as the CHF barrel, it will be interesting to see if they actually outlast other barrels. Correct me if I am wrong, but Colt Canada still chrome lines those CHF barrels.
Disabled1
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According to these 2 COLT CANADA write ups, no, they are not chrome lined.The 1:8 twist is a lot of hype... but I admit, I got caught up in it when I purchased the original Sport. Unless you are shooting the longer projectiles such as the 77 gr, the 1:9 twist works well. If you are shooting those high dollar specialty rounds, you probably aren't shooting either of the rifles we are talking about.
As far as the CHF barrel, it will be interesting to see if they actually outlast other barrels. Correct me if I am wrong, but Colt Canada still chrome lines those CHF barrels.
Differences Between Canadian C7 and US M16 - The Firearm Blog
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/2/21/m16s-of-the-great-white-north/
blues7
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I'm wise enough to know when enough is enough, are you?
I made my point, everyone else did as well.
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cyphertext
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99% of shooters are not going to get greater accuracy out of a non-lined barrel vs a chrome lined barrel on an AR, especially a budget priced AR. No, Ruger did not do it for better accuracy, they did it because it is cheaper.
Besides, the Sport comes with a salt nitrided barrel, which is not a lining such as chrome and does not alter the sizing of the bore... So, you get the accuracy advantage of unlined (what little exists), plus the protection of the barrel. Win-win.
cyphertext
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The first article you linked states "The bore is plated with harder chrome than the M16. This allows greater wear life (2 to 3 times M16) and lets us machine C9 barrels from the same barrel blank.", so yes they are chrome lined.
Disabled1
US Veteran
Yes, that is stated correctly. But, in the newer, updated version of the article it still reads,"FOR BETTER ACCURACY"..............
I already own the Sport 1. I chose the Ruger over the Sport 2 and bought the AR-556. Are you scared of change? You too can buy a Ruger. If you don't like the barrel, swap it for a S&W barrel.
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cyphertext
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Dude, I'm done. You think the Ruger is the bee's knees, and that is fine. I think there are better rifles than the Ruger for the money. I could buy a Ruger AR, but I won't due to my own experience and research. The unlined barrel, the wonky delta ring, and the exposed firing pin are not features that I want. Sure, you can replace all of that, but why? Buy the rifle that has the most features that you want.
blues7
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For future reference...
http://smith-wessonforum.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
(It's good for your blood pressure sometimes.
)cyphertext
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For future reference...
http://smith-wessonforum.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
(It's good for your blood pressure sometimes.
Nah, if I ignore folks, I might miss something!
Disabled1
US Veteran
But the Ruger delta ring is a great idea. The unlined barrel; honestly, do you think that either one of us would be able to wear out an unlined barrel? I did read somewhere that the Sport 2 barrel was nitraded (sp) ???????........isn't that what they coat the M&P with? And, the exposed firing pin, if it works, why knock it.
As you stated, buy the rifle that has the most features that YOU want. That, you and I can agree upon.
BTW, thanks for your service!
Disabled1
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MattO, did you buy a Sport 2? If so, tell us about it. Give us a range report.
I am currently looking at buying a Bushnell TRS-25 sight for mine. Anyone else have one? Opinions?
Good luck on what you decide MattO.
blues7
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Nah, if I ignore folks, I might miss something!
I applaud your resolve, brother. Me, I've been a super moderator on another large website for about 16 years and am at a point in my life where I can only suffer fools to a certain degree...past that I avail myself of whatever respite the software can provide.
(It's a case where, at least in the current circumstances, ignorance (of follow-up posts) really is bliss.
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Disabled1
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I applaud your resolve, brother. Me, I've been a super moderator on another large website for about 16 years and am at a point in my life where I can only suffer fools to a certain degree...past that I avail myself of whatever respite the software can provide.
(It's a case where, at least in the current circumstances, ignorance (of follow-up posts) really is bliss.
Blues7, can you PM me a link to that site? Thanx!
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