the right to keep and bear (carry) arms

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Sheep

Benney said:
If Florida has the right to CCW why didn't someone stop this last shooting before he got this far?

Being from Canada I can't understand why these guys get away with shooting so many and everyone seems to wait for the police to show up.
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Most of the population are sheep. The people on this forum are Sheepdogs.

Three types of people. Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs. LTC David Grossman.
 
Well ya'll know, that there are those that walk among us that....

Always looks to spin a tragedy on any kind, into a cause for their personal agenda.

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What I don't see from here...

Is, when the populous is dis-armed and remove from the equation,
when we, the working class are gone the way of the dodo bird.
Who is going to contribute to the GNP, who is gonna pay the taxes
the ruling class depends on for life's substances?



My God Boys, what's coming down the road!


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Oh, the working man will contribute...

keith44spl said:
What I don't see from here...

Is, when the populous is dis-armed and remove from the equation,
when we, the working class are gone the way of the dodo bird.
Who is going to contribute to the GNP, who is gonna pay the taxes
the ruling class depends on for life's substances?



My God Boys, what's coming down the road!


.
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The working man will contribute to the GNP, but will not benefit from it.
 
I say this:

Forget guns.

Forget edged weapons.

Forget any weapons.

When it comes down to it a human being has a basic right to self defense,I don't care if you pick up a rock and dash someone's brains out if you feel your life is in danger you have that right and unless you're very wrong you should not be in any trouble for taking another's life.

A gun is just the most modern way to do this and the above is (to me) an integral part of the 2nd and why we have it-you have a right to defend yourself and you have a right to access the tools to do that.

The thing about a right is there is nothing it will do to stop idiots and crazies from using it to their own ends-that is an unfortunate side affect of living,bad stuff happens,people die,get used to it.
 
rwsmith said:
It probably depends on what state you are in. I don't think there is a prohibition on carrying in bars here in SC as long as long as you have a permit. Establishments may have restrictions (Starbucks for ex.), but I don't know how effective they would be if someone wanted to CC.
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Don't do it, Jim.

Code of Laws - Title 16 - Chapter 23 - Offenses Involving Weapons

SECTION 16-23-465. Additional penalty for unlawfully carrying pistol or firearm onto premises of business selling alcoholic liquor, beer or wine for on-premises consumption; exceptions.

(A) In addition to the penalties provided for by Sections 16-11-330, 16-11-620, 16-23-460, 23-31-220, and Article 1, Chapter 23, Title 16, a person convicted of carrying a firearm into a business which sells alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine for consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

In addition to the penalties described above, a person who violates this section while carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 must have his concealed weapon permit revoked for a period of five years.
 
IMHO everyone in favor of the right to keep and bear arms Everyone who enjoys the privileges of gun ownership and posting on this forum should have a NRA badge stamp beside their name. I am a liftime member. Guys if you are members of the NRA you should show it. If you aren't you should join!
 
zzclancy said:
Most of the population are sheep. The people on this forum are Sheepdogs.

Three types of people. Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs. LTC David Grossman.
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I certainly agree with the first statement, but the second....meh. Go to any thread where people show their "daily" carry rigs. Maybe, I'm a little more sweaty, maybe I'm a little rougher but my holster look rough in a very short period of time. Not so much, most of the ones I've seen on here.

Some people carry, some people don't. Except for "claimed" on gun forum, its is rare person that carries all the time or even most of the time.
 
I rarely debate this outside of academia because, frankly, it is rare that I get other than the same "I think and I feel" without substantive factual (or at least well articulated) responses. This forum is definitely a step above most though, so here I go.

Question for the strict interpretivists that believe that the Second Amendment prohibits any restriction, how do you reconcile that the Constitution (and the bill of rights) only originally applied to the Federal government? By this I mean, the Supreme Court started to apply the bill of rights (and subsequent amendments) utilizing the "Incorporation Doctrine" and (broadly) interpreted authority they asserted was granted by the 14 Amendment.

How can you reasonably assert that the Supreme Court cannot both interpret and place restrictions on the 2A while (obviously) asserting that the Constitution and Supreme Court have the authority to control an individual state's legislative and regulatory powers, via the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause? Its rather like having your cake and eating it too.

Lets be honest, the federal government has a very minor role in "gun control", at least at the present time. Essentially, the crux of the question is where does the federal government obtain the authority to override state legislatures? The states and individual municipalities have historically regulated the carriage of firearms since essentially the inception of the nation.

Quick primer on Incorporation Doctrine. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine
 
So we should not accept Federal protection?

I'll make a deal with you, when the Feds gets out of my life, I'll demand strict construction. There are a million government employees in Washington telling me how I should be living. It's the world we live in. Change it back, then we can talk.
 
keith44spl said:
What I don't see from here...

Is, when the populous is dis-armed and remove from the equation,
when we, the working class are gone the way of the dodo bird.
Who is going to contribute to the GNP, who is gonna pay the taxes
the ruling class depends on for life's substances?



My God Boys, what's coming down the road!


.
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It doesn't matter how poor the people are in any country the ruling class is rich and the ruling class has always tried to keep the people unarmed. :mad: Larry
 
It's not uncommon for some to panic at the words "shall not be infringed" and declare all rights are limited by government. Where does this thinking lead to?

We are lectured by those who wish to disarm us that the Legislative branch may Constitutionally dream up whatever infringement upon the right to keep and bear arms that they want, and the Executive branch is free to carry out any infringement they feel like as long as the Judicial branch says an infringement is not an infringement, therefore violating the Constitution is not a violation. That type of thinking, which we are seeing right now in Washington, is precisely the reason that A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
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I strongly recommend buying and reading a book by Senator Mike
Lee called Our Lost Constitution. Very well written and explains it
all! It will make you want to cry when you see what has happened
to the best nation in the history of the world.
 
EdnAZ said:
Lets be honest, the federal government has a very minor role in "gun control", at least at the present time.
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Honestly, I believe that the GCA of 1968 plays the single largest role in "gun control".

If the entire FFL system isn't the greatest most sweeping infringement in America, what is?
 
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OKFC05 said:
As a practical matter, with Hillary making a couple of SCOTUS appointments, the 2A will mean whatever the SCOTUS says it means, and what you and I and 100 million other people think will count for squat. Anyone who thinks the best educated, most liberty loving country in the world cannot be turned into a slave state in a generation or less needs to read history.
Hitler was ELECTED to SAVE the country from its economic troubles and GIVE everybody prosperity. How did that work out?
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First thing Hitler did is relieve everyone of their guns.
 
This seems a lot more like a 2A thread than a CCW thread...I pretty much stopped visiting the 2A sub-forum because it seems like most of what goes on there is a bunch of us repeating the same speeches and slogans to each other over and over again to the applause and support of other forum members...I don't see a lot of benefit in being part of a gun rights circle _____.

Convincing ourselves is not the issue. HOW to best win an ongoing political and legal battle and convince "them" to leave us alone is a valuable discussion, but no one ever seems to want to discuss that; we just make speeches to each other and talk about what we'll do when they "come for our guns." I am much more interested in preventing that than planning for it.

Anyway, I am hoping the CCW sub-forum doesn't end up just another 2A sub-forum since there is a sub-forum specifically for these discussions.

Maybe we should talk about open carry instead? ;-) (This part is facetious)

Just my opinion...sorry if anyone takes offense.
 
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