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What does that have to do with me having the same knife? Am I missing something?
Putting the Argument to Rest: The Indisputable Best Self-Defense Caliber/Cartridge.
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No, they need dilithium crystals. Still looking for some, the LGS is out of stock of them.
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This is mine. Learn to use one in the Corps. Taught a Combat Shotgun Course with this one to Marines and Sailors. The Course was taught with 00 Buck and Slug.
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When you strap this on when you head out and you don't have to question whether or not you're adequately prepared to defend yourself.
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Be sure to check the fine print, if actually using one of these for EDC.
Some State Carry Permits or applicable State law are good only for handguns, not shotguns or rifles.
(Yes, a TAC-14, etc. is technically not a shotgun per ATF, but some States define based on the ammo).
Plus a Shockwave or similar will absolutely become a "Gangster's Sawed Off Shotgun" in a Courtroom.
Not saying that's even remotely right or fair -just a reality.
(Teaching Carry Permit Certification Classes for over 20 years)
Some State Carry Permits or applicable State law are good only for handguns, not shotguns or rifles.
(Yes, a TAC-14, etc. is technically not a shotgun per ATF, but some States define based on the ammo).
Plus a Shockwave or similar will absolutely become a "Gangster's Sawed Off Shotgun" in a Courtroom.
Not saying that's even remotely right or fair -just a reality.
(Teaching Carry Permit Certification Classes for over 20 years)
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If I lost everything in a tragic boating accident and had to start over, I’d probably go with 10mm. Lots of loads available from mild to wild, lots of guns with good capacity to pick from. I wouldn’t bother with any other centerfire cartridge.
Does Sig make a 365 in 10mm yet?
Does Sig make a 365 in 10mm yet?
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You're right on all counts, especially the goofy looking semblance of a shotgun that only John Wick disciples and aspiring gunfighters could love.
Brenneke does not list the Black Magic, in 3.5" for the 870 Super Mag.
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All that's assuming you actually get a shot off before you stick the barrel around a corner and the assailant dosen't grab it out of your hands and turns it on you. The best one is the one you've trained with.For generations folks have argued over what's the best Caliber/Cartridge for Self-Defense? The argument is generally a worthless waste of time with most people just arguing in favor of their preferred cartridge with little or no objective facts to backup their claims, meanwhile there was always one objectively ideal cartridge for Self-Defense, but few folks are bold enough to come right out and say it because they know they'll get bombarded with baseless arguments against their claim.
Fortunately, I'm bold enough to say it once and for all, right here, right now...
The best Caliber is .729 and the best Cartridge is none other than the mighty 12 Gauge Slug Shell.
That really ought to be a mic drop right there, but obviously folks will attempt to argue against the fact, so I'll keep going to explain why it's the best.
Obviously a 12 Gauge Slug packs a heck of a punch, delivering over 3000 Foot Pounds of Kinetic Energy at the muzzle and still maintaining over 1200ft-lbs at a distance of 100 Yards.
In other words, a Brenneke Black Magic Magnum Slug delivers as much energy at the Muzzle as a .500 S&W Magnum — The Most Powerful Handgun in the World — at the muzzle, and as much energy at a distance of 100 Yards as a .44 Remington Magnum — The Former Most Powerful Handgun in the World — not to mention the 5.56x45 NATO — The standard issue rifle cartridge in NATO Armed Forces — at the muzzle, and it does it all with a 602 Grain, .729 Caliber Projectile.
Some would argue that it's too powerful, too punishing, and delivered from a Firearm too large/heavy to carry concealed.
NONSENSE, I SAY! Nothing more that anti-gun rhetoric designed to pacify the masses and encourage citizens to carry less-than-adequate tools for Self-Defense.
In the modern-era, 12 Gauge Firearms are available in compact, concealable packages such as the Serbu Super Shorty and the Mossberg 590 Shockwave.
Furthermore, there exists a plethora of lower-powered yet still extremely effective 12 Gauge Slug Shells on the market, ranging from Federal Mini Shells for those of smaller stature all the way up to the aforementioned Bear-Slaying Brenneke Black Magic Magnum.
When you strap this on when you head out and you don't have to question whether or not you're adequately prepared to defend yourself.
Also, it's time to say it, people... Carrying a firearm isn't enough! If everyone maintained a rigorous daily exercise routine then nobody would argue that it's "unrealistic" or "impractical" to EDC a 12 Gauge.
Furthermore, if folks had some actual confidence and weren't overly concerned about what others think of them, then they wouldn't have to hide a Pocket Pistol in their pants when they go out to the store.
Folks need to start taking their Self-Defense seriously! You can't just carry whatever happens to be convenient, you've got to carry what gets the job done, and for all the endless arguments over which suboptimal handgun cartridge is the best of the worst option for minimalist Self-Defense, nobody has ever disputed that a hit from a 12 Gauge Slug is a fight-stopper!
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Yep! Have had 3 & 2 .460s. Sure it's a 2 hander but if you grew up shooting hot stuff & think 1 handed with hot load .454s fun, then the .500 is ok! Seriously, had 500s & 460s from the shorties to the 12-14" & they are just too big & clunky. I lived in AK & carried .44s when that was the big boy, 454s when they came out & as I said, the 460/500s. Went back to the 454 for bear carry when fishing, riding snogos & 4 wheeling. Easy to carry, easy (m/l) to shoot, accurate & a 300gr doing 1950 works for about everything.
Which states prohibit the carrying of a pistol that uses shotgun ammo?
The indisputable answer is and always has been , the gun that you are comfortable carrying, the cartridge that you practice with and the bullet that suits your fancy! You're welcome!
If you haven’t actually trained in long arm retention and disarms, you ought to. It can be quite illuminating.
An assailant grabbing a long gun, disarming you, and using it on you is MUCH harder than most people realize. The one grabbing the barrel end of a long gun is in for an E-ticket ride, and a celestial dirt nap.
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The Judge, Defender, etc., can fire .410 shells, have rifled barrels, (so can fire 45 Colt), and are classified by ATF as pistols.
The tac-14, Shockwave, etc. are not pistols. They are not shotguns either, but have smooth barrels, and cannot fire handgun ammo.
Only pistols/handguns can be carried concealed under a (Minnesota, in my case) Carry Permit.
Other States laws may be different.
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