cp2146
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Agreed, it would be, but if you weren't expecting it to end in a fatal shooting, then maybe you might try it.
BTW, sorry, I edited the original post you replied to just a bit.
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CC holder - traffic stop gone bad
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Agreed, it would be, but if you weren't expecting it to end in a fatal shooting, then maybe you might try it.
BTW, sorry, I edited the original post you replied to just a bit.
Cal44
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We just don't know what happened. For all we know, the guy who was killed was belligerent towards the officer and created an unnecessarily tense situation.
I hope one or the other officers was wearing a body cam. That would make it easier to determine what happened before the shooting.
I hope one or the other officers was wearing a body cam. That would make it easier to determine what happened before the shooting.
Not sure where this one is heading
I'm probably hoping against hope that this won't go ballistic.
The LEO shooting of the CCW. I don't know the facts, and that is IMPORTANT, but going by the girlfriend's account and video, this one is not good.
If things went down as she said they did, I don't see this as a justified shooting.
As I said, I wasn't there, I do not know the true facts, but what is going out on the airwaves does not look good.
I do take that into account and am wondering about the detached filming of the whole thing. It may mean nothing, but it is a little strange.
I hope that it wasn't an unnecessary reaction on the part of LEO.
I'm not an automan that thinks whatever LEO does is Ok, but I do give them the benefit of the doubt.
In the end, they are civilians, like us.
Prayers for all involved and hope for a justified resolution.
I'm probably hoping against hope that this won't go ballistic.
The LEO shooting of the CCW. I don't know the facts, and that is IMPORTANT, but going by the girlfriend's account and video, this one is not good.
If things went down as she said they did, I don't see this as a justified shooting.
As I said, I wasn't there, I do not know the true facts, but what is going out on the airwaves does not look good.
I do take that into account and am wondering about the detached filming of the whole thing. It may mean nothing, but it is a little strange.
I hope that it wasn't an unnecessary reaction on the part of LEO.
I'm not an automan that thinks whatever LEO does is Ok, but I do give them the benefit of the doubt.
In the end, they are civilians, like us.
Prayers for all involved and hope for a justified resolution.
Not trying to go to far off subject but.If I have you stopped and you are reaching for your waist,seat or fumbling around with your hands out of sight.I might think you are getting a weapon or hiding drugs.It will raise my alert level.
The Facts as we know them.
1) Car pulled over for broken taillight.
2) Driver tell officer he has a legal gun in car.
3) Police shoots driver 4 times.
5) Police officer rightfuly appears to be very upset and states I told him not to move.
4) Girlfriend with child in back seat films aftermath of shooting and post video to web.
6) Girlfriend remains strangely calm and is cuffed and placed in back of police car,where she continues to film.
She did show some emotion as she is removed from car.
7) No body cam on police officer, maybe one in patrol car?
8) Police Officer was White, driver was Black.
Did I miss any of the KNOWN facts.
1) Car pulled over for broken taillight.
2) Driver tell officer he has a legal gun in car.
3) Police shoots driver 4 times.
5) Police officer rightfuly appears to be very upset and states I told him not to move.
4) Girlfriend with child in back seat films aftermath of shooting and post video to web.
6) Girlfriend remains strangely calm and is cuffed and placed in back of police car,where she continues to film.
She did show some emotion as she is removed from car.
7) No body cam on police officer, maybe one in patrol car?
8) Police Officer was White, driver was Black.
Did I miss any of the KNOWN facts.
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JJEH
Member
I stopped reading after the first 2 words...
Would it have made a difference if the man was a different race?
Jessie, I agree. Since my accident, I despise Monday morning Quarterbacking. Bottom line, this one isn't looking very good.
As I was not there to witness either event, I'll not offer any comments other to say it's a terrible tragedy for everyone involved, and I'm sending my prayers for everyone.
MSgt G
US Veteran
However, what initially struck me as strange is the girlfriends behavior. Didn't she seem awfully calm as her boyfriend was sitting there dying? Brought up live stream, talking calmly to the officer. Maybe shock? I don't know, but strange.
USAF385
US Veteran
From what I've seen the video starts after the fact, so is just as reliable as listening to someone's account afterward. It's just her word.
Dvan34
Member
I carry my ID Credential, with badge and all identification in the badge case on the top, left outside pocket of my shirt, jacket or vest. I do not reach for it until the officer is aware and gives his permission. My pistol is IWB, cross-draw position on my left side waist on my belt. I use my left hand to display the credentials, not my right hand.
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We will have to wait for the facts, if we ever do get them. But I thought the driver said he had a firearm as he reached for his wallet. The police told him not move and the driver continued bringing his hand up. He probably thought everything was going to be fine when he gave his I.D. and CCW permit to the officer. Unfortunately, the officer told the driver not to move and could not see what the driver had in is hand. This is how you get shot. When I have been pulled over, I put my windows down and if after dark turn all of the interior lights on and keep my hands on the steering wheel until told to do otherwise. I feel for everyone involved. ALL lives matter.
Who said he told the cop he had a gun? The girlfriend? Why doesn't she have it on camera? She probably started rolling as they were stopped. I've said it before: Shall notify laws are not for the cop's safety, they're for YOUR safety so when you forget you have a gun next to your wallet, you don't get shot going for license when the cops sees the gun you forgot to mention....
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Faulkner
Member
I'm figuring if I keep watching what the media wants me to see and hear over and over and over how these cops 'gun down' innocent law abiding citizens, I'm sure I'll be able to eventually come to a unbiased conclusion as to what happened and a full official investigation won't even be necessary.
Dumb move. Hold still and wait for the officer's directions. Then, follow them exactly.
Don't be fumbling around in your car before the officer gets there.
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This exactly !!
I would also tell the officer i have a gun in the car/truck,
Would you like to control it until we conclude business?
Some folks would not announce and that's fine as well.
But if i got a nervous Police officer drawn down on me
i do NOT remove either of my hands from his view until
he has calmed down.
I don't know what happened in this case but hopefully
it is investigated properly and settled correctly.
Chuck
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Okie21
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I was pulled over couple months ago. I handed the trooper my driver's license along with my carry permit AND at the same time I told him I have a carry permit and I'm carrying right now. He asked where my gun was, I told him, and he said please don't reach for it. It couldn't have gone any smoother. He didn't seem too worried.
As for this incident, let's wait and see what develops. We only know for sure what happened AFTER the woman started her video.
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As for this incident, let's wait and see what develops. We only know for sure what happened AFTER the woman started her video.
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Undoubtedly.
It's really quite simple. Really it is. Use some common sense. But above all, respect authority.
Now....If you don't respect authority at least be smart enough to know your talking to someone that can usually bring their gun into play quicker than you can. One way or the other you will lose.
Parents are to blame when their children make bad decisions. Parents that tell their children that those in authority are the enemy. Parents that allow their children to be disrespectful. Parents that teach their children to take what they want when they can. To be selfish.
Meanwhile, as that parent stands in front of the TV camera and proclaims "my boy never hurt nobody!". They only have themselves to blame.
Now....If you don't respect authority at least be smart enough to know your talking to someone that can usually bring their gun into play quicker than you can. One way or the other you will lose.
Parents are to blame when their children make bad decisions. Parents that tell their children that those in authority are the enemy. Parents that allow their children to be disrespectful. Parents that teach their children to take what they want when they can. To be selfish.
Meanwhile, as that parent stands in front of the TV camera and proclaims "my boy never hurt nobody!". They only have themselves to blame.
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