CATI1835
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I guess I should have been a bit clearer. Does anyone believe S&W might consider relocating to a more friendly state? Economic loss (jobs) to MA could be a side effect.
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I guess I should have been a bit clearer. Does anyone believe S&W might consider relocating to a more friendly state? Economic loss (jobs) to MA could be a side effect.
Philadelphia Patriot
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Is MA AG an elected position or appointed? If elected then try to do a recall election of her. If appointed then do a recall election of the governor.
scoobysnacker
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Good lord, people in states like that have my sympathy and support. I see that the Baton Rouge shooting was referenced; it was very interesting that during the police press briefing of the shooting, our State Police colonel (Mike Edmonson) made it a point to say that "gun control" was not the issue, it was what was inside a person's heart that was the issue.
I found it very telling that Edmonson felt the need to say this during the briefing, but I'm glad he had the foresight to do so. I think he might have pre-empted yet another national speech by doing that.
I found it very telling that Edmonson felt the need to say this during the briefing, but I'm glad he had the foresight to do so. I think he might have pre-empted yet another national speech by doing that.
Ben Cartwright SASS
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In Mass a person is never blamed, it is always a thing.
The Boston Bombers were just "fine fellows" per our Gov Deval Patrick, it was either the pressure cookers or their lack of more welfare
The Boston Bombers were just "fine fellows" per our Gov Deval Patrick, it was either the pressure cookers or their lack of more welfare
She was elected. Crazy as it may sound, the alternative (same party opponent) was even worse... rabidly, almost violently, anti-2A.
Her opponent on the other side was a newcomer and complete unknown.We are all just trying to figure it out at this point.
It seems like each dealer has a different take on the directive at this point. I visited five dealers yesterday and no two dealers were taking the same road, especially in regard to .22LR rifles. That's how confusing it all is at this time. 
Pardon me for my ignorance here, but does the AG have the authority under Mass law to do this?
I've never claimed to be sharpest crayola in the box, but it sounds like she has decided that instead of enforcing the law based on what it has been determined to be by the judicial branch, she's taking it upon herself to interpret the law to fit her own personal agenda and using her position to do so by executive fiat.
I've never claimed to be sharpest crayola in the box, but it sounds like she has decided that instead of enforcing the law based on what it has been determined to be by the judicial branch, she's taking it upon herself to interpret the law to fit her own personal agenda and using her position to do so by executive fiat.
We are all just trying to figure it out at this point.
TTSH, Ben and others. Just wanted to let you guys know that when I "like" your posts, that I don't "like" the situation you find yourselves in up there, but that I am in agreement with you, and supportive of you.
Best wishes for the future, and Best Regards,
Les
Pretty scary stuff.
And more confusion that you can imagine.Some supportive shops stayed open until midnight last night in order to give as many folks as possible a shot at one of the (now-banned) guns or at least a stripped lower receiver before the supposed midnight registration deadline. Other shops were not so clear on the deadline issue and chose to stop all sales immediately. Confusion and fear reigned at every shop in the state.
I was out well after 10 PM last night at one of the more supportive shops trying to find out more about the directive. The crowd was insane trying in desperation to buy anything before the deadline. Parking was impossible. I estimate at least 300 people in line, most of whom probably didn't have a chance at anything before midnight. Some said that at its height, there were over 500 people crowding the store. I believe it. So much for me ever owning that Sport II back-up AR that I sought.
There is a big warning here for all of us. This is how fast your 2A rights can be taken away... without any hearings or warnings or notice of any kind. An instant shutdown of your rights. It was surreal... even for crazy moonbat Massachusetts.
It's a brand new (or at least almost brand new) tactic. Something similar (i.e., "reimagining" or "redefining" an existing law or reg to foist more gun control on us) had been tried before on an administrative level and quietly failed... but this is way different. This is the AG doing this.
Gun dealers and LTC holders must take this dead seriously or else. Will she get away with it?
That is a question for the courts and the legislature to decide... but remember: This is loony moonbat Massachusetts. That doesn't give us here a whole lot of hope.
Ben Cartwright SASS
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Just thinking AG Healy could have instead of giving buyers until 11:59 pm to buy up the inventory, made it instant with her announcement "as of right now"
BUT maybe she knows she is going to get them all back anyway by declaring them banned (which they already are) and you have 30 days to turn them in or face a $10k fine per gun and 10 years in jail.
In Mass only a minority of our guns are not registered since we have the FA10 system that for years they claimed was to register the sale and make sure you were allowed to have that weapon, which asks then if it is not registration why the description and serial number had to be submitted.
So they have a list of what you have and if you don't turn them in or sell them out of state you will be paid a nice visit and get an all expenses paid vacation.
Finally she says she cares about innocent lives, but evidently only in Mass since she wants any assault weapons to be sold to people in other states. What about the innocent lives in say NH or OK?
BUT maybe she knows she is going to get them all back anyway by declaring them banned (which they already are) and you have 30 days to turn them in or face a $10k fine per gun and 10 years in jail.
In Mass only a minority of our guns are not registered since we have the FA10 system that for years they claimed was to register the sale and make sure you were allowed to have that weapon, which asks then if it is not registration why the description and serial number had to be submitted.
So they have a list of what you have and if you don't turn them in or sell them out of state you will be paid a nice visit and get an all expenses paid vacation.
Finally she says she cares about innocent lives, but evidently only in Mass since she wants any assault weapons to be sold to people in other states. What about the innocent lives in say NH or OK?
I would put nothing past her.
The ban effective time was a big controversial deal yesterday with the dealers. Different dealers had gotten different times and instructions from the AG's office regarding what they could do and could not do. Different news reports were reporting different details, some totally contradictory. It was like the recent coup in Turkey. What a confused, desperate mess... but I guess that's the way it is with an instant "Congratulations! You are now a felon!" gun ban.
cmj8591
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This is an elected position but you have to remember that Mass is essentially a one party state so it might as well be appointed.
Ben Cartwright SASS
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I have a CAI WASR10 AK47 I got back in 2011. How do I tell is it is a pre-94 or not?
I assumed that to be sold here it had to be pre-94 but I got it at Zero Hour in Easton, now closed and they were known to push the envelope
I assumed that to be sold here it had to be pre-94 but I got it at Zero Hour in Easton, now closed and they were known to push the envelope
Philadelphia Patriot
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Didn't the Supreme Court just overturn MA's ban on stun guns and specified the 2nd Amendment applies to weapons that were not invented during the time of the signing of the Constitution? Can't the same argument be made about "assault rifles".
There are a number of organization working on this issue, but I don't expect it to be resolved for a couple of years.
hexnut
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Beretta moved out of Maryland because of anti gun legislation. They moved to Tennessee and are located about 4 miles from where I live.
Interesting way to look at it, but I'm sure our nutty AG lady couldn't care less.
That is going to depend on whether or not the legislature has taken offense at this surprise usurping of their exclusive law making power.
I tend to feel that Ms nutty AG lady would not have done this on her own without the "wink-wink" approval of the top legislative leaders. However, if she did do this all on her own, it could mean a fairly quick and unceremonious slap-down of her ludicrous decree.
If it is a true WASR-10 (so marked) and not just some earlier Model 63 variant, then by definition it is post-ban (post-1994) rifle... even though some will tell you that it's entirely possible it was originally manufactured prior to 1994.
So get ready to go to prison under the new decree with the rest of us Ben.
Trust me, you won't be lacking for company.
The legislature is in session this weekend. This might end up on the agenda.
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